Ok did it catch fire or trap you inside randomly? If it had electric latches did you notice the manual overide lever?
Norway on track to reach 100% EV sales in the next 2 years
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Sorry, Jan, but with all respect, this is mostly not true. EVs don't catch fire that frequently. Actually, I think ICE vehicles do more often. Batteries can be expensive or not so expensive. It depends on the size, the car design, a rebuild, etc. Siting the extreme case does not make the norm. Afghanistan is not even in the top six countries for lithium. They are Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, the US, Australia, and China.
Myth Buster: EVs Catch Fire More than Gas Cars | DE-CO - Drive Electric Colorado
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Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world
Lithium is growing in demand, but many of the countries with the largest-known reserves have yet to successfully commercialise the resource at scale.
www.nsenergybusiness.com
TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
I don’t want to or intend to argue with you for the piss of it. I respect you.
How do you know your information isn’t compromised?
Just something to think about.
TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
Obviously it didn’t , but why can’t you even allow yourself to think objectively?
TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
But when they do….Sorry, Jan, but with all respect, this is mostly not true. EVs don't catch fire that frequently. Actually, I think ICE vehicles do more often. Batteries can be expensive or not so expensive. It depends on the size, the car design, a rebuild, etc. Siting the extreme case does not make the norm. Afghanistan is not even in the top six countries for lithium. They are Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, the US, Australia, and China.
Myth Buster: EVs Catch Fire More than Gas Cars | DE-CO - Drive Electric Colorado
Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world
Lithium is growing in demand, but many of the countries with the largest-known reserves have yet to successfully commercialise the resource at scale.
That’s the point.
So the ntsb is in on this now as well? It isn't my info it is the only hard data to go by
I am not the one that regrets any data you don't want to believe simply because it doesn't align with your preconceived notions
TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
I think I replied and it got deleted that EV’s are new and ice is old and more popular.
It’s like comparing Denmark to the states.
TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
Ok we are talking about percentages though not straight numbers. So yes of course there will be far more ice fires because there are far more ice vehicles. But that isn't what we are saying. Now the numbers are still a bit misleading because there are lots of ice vehicles that are much older than EVs on the road. But still it's not like EVs pose a huge risk of fire.
No it really hasn't there are just allot of people who now choose to no longer believe in the scientific method.
Jan Pijpelink
Minister of Fire
Last week I was visiting the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, a military facility researching fuels and energy resources. They told me, based on 2022 research data that Afghanistan is the Saudi Arabia of Lithium. I agree that the countries you list have a lot of Lithium, but information from Afghanistan has not been reported recently in mainstream media, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.Sorry, Jan, but with all respect, this is mostly not true. EVs don't catch fire that frequently. Actually, I think ICE vehicles do more often. Batteries can be expensive or not so expensive. It depends on the size, the car design, a rebuild, etc. Siting the extreme case does not make the norm. Afghanistan is not even in the top six countries for lithium. They are Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, the US, Australia, and China.
Myth Buster: EVs Catch Fire More than Gas Cars | DE-CO - Drive Electric Colorado
Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world
Lithium is growing in demand, but many of the countries with the largest-known reserves have yet to successfully commercialise the resource at scale.
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EbS-P
Minister of Fire
I don’t think so. To be efficient from a power stand point a fuel cell vehicle will still need a small battery. Think of it as a hybrid. Once you put a battery in why not just charge it at home? Hydrogen combustion is DOA due the fuel density and they face that a fuel cell is 2x as efficient as a hydrogen combustion.
Electric infrastructure is in a place. Hydrogen could’ve be a fleet fuel.
The nature of many mineral deposits is that they are found where we have looked. And we haven't looked everywhere yet.
Until recently, lithium was a small commodity with a small market. On the earth, it is quite common.
Abundance of elements in Earth's crust - Wikipedia
More abundant than copper or zinc.
Now that the demand and price of Li is up, they are finding it everywhere. There are closed mines in the US and S. America. They didn't close bc they didn't have lithium, or bc they had mined all of it. They closed bc some other miner undercut them on the market and put them out of business. These can all reopen.
Also, hydrogen fuel cells? They need a lot of platinum group metals, which are at the bottom of that abundance chart, way below lithium and the 'rare earths'.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
And ICE vehicles never have fires? Ever heard of the "Jaws of life"? Plenty of ICE vehicles have their doors locked closed in accidents. Hell, I've locked my keys in the car while it's running as a teenager!
Your echo chamber/social media feed is not an accurate source of data. The feed does not show you the 200,000+ ICE vehicles that catch on fire every year. In 2018 there were 355 fatalities from vehicle fires.
How do you know that your information isn't compromised? What makes you so sure?
Let's put the EV fire stuff to rest, it's a non issue:
"A recent study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ using data from the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) showed that electric cars in the US caught fire at a rate of 25.1 per 100,000 sales compared to 1,530 for ICE vehicles and 3,475 for hybrids."
EV Fires: Less Common But More Problematic?
IDTechEx Research Article: Fires in electric vehicles (EVs) certainly gain a lot of media attention in comparison to their internal combustion engine (ICE) counterparts. But a crucial question for the future of mobility is whether EVs are actually any more likely to catch fire than an ICE...
www.idtechex.com
Ashful
Minister of Fire
The misinformation continues. This may be useful:
www.hearth.com
The "one week News challenge"
Pulling this subject from another thread: What all of these threads highlight is that we cannot even agree on the facts. If you can't agree on the facts, it's impossible to debate or argue our various interpretations of them. With biased media falsely billed as "News" on both sides, both...
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EbS-P
Minister of Fire
There is a larger risk offer a salt water flooding event. The plan in Florida was tow all the flooded cars near water and have an equipment ready to push them in if they caught fire.
I will totally choose an EV for its safety. Many of the high profile fires it was clear excessive speed was the cause of the accident. Occupants survival in an ICE wreck of that nature would be slim too. Time for safe escape is probably more in an EV than an ICE ruptured gas tank and hot engine/exhaust components.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
Hard to think of a 100+ MPH capable vehicle with a large vessel filled with volatile toxic liquids as safe by any measure! Not to say lithium chemistry is without risks, but as you said, it can be mitigated much more easily than ICE vehicles. At least if you push an EV into a river there will be much less environmental damage compared to dumping a flaming ICE into a river!
Ashful
Minister of Fire
The fire thing is just the grasping of straws, by those wanting to defend their v8's. Yes, BEV's occasionally catch on fire. So do ICE's, and we've always known that. If I'm given a choice between one of my large-displacement ICE's and a BEV in a 100+ MPH crash, I honestly might choose the BEV. At least the AWD (why would you not buy dual motor?!?) will help with a little pre-collision deceleration, and their mass favors your conservation of momentum.
The one valid point on this subject is that the per-capita incidence of fires starting randomly overnight in your garage, while your family is asleep above, seems to be presently much higher with overnight charging of BEV's. Yes, ICE's also occasionally catch on fire while doing nothing in a garage (ironically, often caused by the battery), but the incidence of that seems to be much lower. I am sure that will be resolved in time, in fact I think the likelihood of that happening on cars produced today is already much lower than those produced 6 years ago.
The one valid point on this subject is that the per-capita incidence of fires starting randomly overnight in your garage, while your family is asleep above, seems to be presently much higher with overnight charging of BEV's. Yes, ICE's also occasionally catch on fire while doing nothing in a garage (ironically, often caused by the battery), but the incidence of that seems to be much lower. I am sure that will be resolved in time, in fact I think the likelihood of that happening on cars produced today is already much lower than those produced 6 years ago.
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A very large amount of questionable opinions in this thread but I can agree with this.
A detached garage would be my preference for this, simply by nature your ICE in a garage doing nothing has to be safer (without external factors) than charging something, car, battery, etc.
Some high rise buildings with underground parking are banning EVs from parking there. Probably directed so by their insurers.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
I think EVs burning in garages is also a non-issue. Fires from electrical malfunctions not related to cars are much higher. Plus people tend to (improperly) store volatiles in their garages, which exacerbate any fire. There are roughly 6,500 garage fires annually. Apparently garage fires are responsible for the majority of home fires, but we all know the overwhelming majority of garages in the US don't have EVs in them. It seems that only 63% of garages actually have cars regularly parked inside. There were 276 million vehicles on the road in the US in 2022, 1.7 million of them were EVs. Using this data we can determine there are only about a million EVs ever parked in garages, statistically speaking. However that number could be even lower since there is so much fear mongering about EVs in garages. To me the risk of a EV fire is statistically much smaller than your risk of having a garage fire from another means. With over a million EVs on the road the news media would be bursting at the seams with garage fires related to EVs. Instead every single outlet clings to each individual story of an EV garage fire while ignoring the data. Statistically speaking the risk of an EV fire, particularly in a garage, is approaching zero.
Not exactly the least biased reference, but I like the way they have presented the data and where they referenced their data for garage fires:
https://elitegaragetacoma.us/faq-items/causes-garage-fires/
Number of EVs on the road reference:
The number of electric vehicles on US roads has surged 250% over 5 years with Teslas leading the charge — but are EVs a money saver or a money pit?
Are they still worth it when you factor in charging and maintenance costs?
Vehicle registration data:
Number of motor vehicles in U.S. | Statista
How many registered motor vehicles are there in the U.S.? Some 276 million vehicles were registered here in 2020.
www.statista.com
how many people park in garage data:
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal...vey found that 37,front of almost every house.
Average garage fires per day:
Must do garage fire prevention | Commonwealth Garage Doors
Garages are highly susceptible to fires, help prevent a fire in your garage.
commonwealthgaragedoors.com
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