Pacific Energy Super 27 vs. Lopi Endeavor

[isipwater]

Actually, this does seem like a nice stove and does meet my clearance needs. I love having more options, thank you. Wow, this is hard.

 

[Sprinter]

Wow, this is hard.

HeeHee. Tell me about it...

 

[Grisu]

Here is a longer thread about the Matrix: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/new-osburn-matrix-product-line.89569/
You can also PM Fyrebug who works for Osburn/SBI.

 

[sticks]

A pedestal is an option on the Endeavor.

 

[Sprinter]

A pedestal is an option on the Endeavor.

Thanks for pointing that out. It could make a difference in making a decision.

 

[isipwater]

The bypass is nice and will make a huge difference if you have even a marginal draft! If you have a tall well drafting chimney, you might not see much of an advantage. It's also nice to use upon start up of a new load of wood.

The PE baffle does come out nice and is very well designed. The Lopi baffle is simple, very simple and effective. It comes apart easily too, in the event that you ever need too. With the bypass, there is no need to remove the baffle for cleaning. Open the bypass, sweep the flue and it all falls into the firebox. You can run a flexible broom back and forth on top of the baffle to get the flyash off of it. No sweat!

For my install, I am anticipating a straight (no bends) double walled chimney that will exit the roof in a central location. I am hoping these factors will give me good draft, so maybe the Lopi bypass damper will not make much of a difference for me.

 

[webby3650]

For my install, I am anticipating a straight (no bends) double walled chimney that will exit the roof in a central location. I am hoping these factors will give me good draft, so maybe the Lopi bypass damper will not make much of a difference for me.

How tall will it be? If it's under 15', it can make a big difference.

 

[isipwater]

For a modern looking stove I still prefer the Osburn Matrix. I remember you got the recommendation and the clearances should fit. Do you mind telling why you don't consider it anymore?

Good question. We do like the looks of this stove. The two downsides are the price and the depth of the stove. The price starts around $2700, which is a bit more than the PE Fusion or the Endeavor. The overall depth of the stove is about 2 inches more than the Fusion and the Endeavor. Sure looks like a nice stove though.

 

[isipwater]

All good choices. I prefer the Endeavor over the 1750 personally. But you can save a lot of money with the same results is guess. I've always been impressed with the endeavor! We put in a lot of 1750's, and we never have any complaints.

Do you think the extra $500 for the Endeavor is worth it vs. the 1750?

 

[isipwater]

How tall will it be? If it's under 15', it can make a big difference.

I am not sure of the exact height but click on this link to see the estimate I got:
(broken link removed to https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BypDkSrAqt-AVnFoRl9mSmRhZjA/edit?usp=sharing)

 

[webby3650]

Good question. We do like the looks of this stove. The two downsides are the price and the depth of the stove. The price starts around $2700, which is a bit more than the PE Fusion or the Endeavor. The overall depth of the stove is about 2 inches more than the Fusion and the Endeavor. Sure looks like a nice stove though.

Believe me, it's no PE Fusion. Theres no way it's worth more money than a Fusion!

 

[webby3650]

Do you think the extra $500 for the Endeavor is worth it vs. the 1750?

To me it is. It's really based on looks only though.

 

[Sprinter]

This baffle bypass issue is still a mystery to me. Lopi describes it as a positive design attribute, but I've also heard that the only reason that Lopi has a bypass on these models is that it's inherent design requires a bypass whereas other designs simply don't need it. My chimney is only 12' above the stove and I haven't experienced a draft problem with new starts.

I can't seem to find any really objective information about it, but I'm inclined to think that it's unimportant and maybe just an unnecessary complication.

 

[Grisu]

For the record, my chimney is 13 ft and I have no problems whatsoever with the draft in the Super. Sometimes I think it would be even better if I could dampen it down more. But I have to say that my installer right away pointed at the possibility of this being a problem. I decided to try it anyway and I am glad I did.

 

[webby3650]

This baffle bypass issue is still a mystery to me. Lopi describes it as a positive design attribute, but I've also heard that the only reason that Lopi has a bypass on these models is that it's inherent design requires a bypass whereas other designs simply don't need it. My chimney is only 12" above the stove and I haven't experienced a draft problem with new starts.

I can't seem to find any really objective information about it, but I'm inclined to think that it's unimportant and maybe just an unnecessary complication.

Some stoves are obviously designed differently. The bypass is definitely an asset though. It allows faster start ups without cracking the door, and it must have something to do with efficiency. I'm sure Travis Ind. wouldn't add it for no reason.

 

[isipwater]

To me it is. It's really based on looks only though.

If I understand you correctly, the extra $500 for the Endeavor vs. the 1750 is more for looks than function? You see no added functional value for the Endeavor's bypass damper.

Doesn't the Endeavor's bypass damper at least make it easier to clean the chimney vs the 1750?

 

[webby3650]

My chimney is only 12" above the stove

 

[webby3650]

If I understand you correctly, the extra $500 for the Endeavor vs. the 1750 is more for looks than function? You see no added functional value for the Endeavor's bypass damper.

Doesn't the Endeavor's bypass damper at least make it easier to clean the chimney vs the 1750?

Yes, I see added value for the bypass. I love my bypass!

 

[Grisu]

Bypass, shmypass... who needs that? (Proud PE owner.)

 

[BrotherBart]

Don't have one but a bypass has to be great for start-ups and reloads. So you don't end up singing "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes.".

 

[Sprinter]

I know, I know. No draft problems, though... So far...

I should add that it's double wall pipe to the class A

 

[begreen]

That's right in line with the Super27 and some other 2+ cf stoves. I've never tried to get 12 hours in mine, but some people have. That's only going to happen under ideal conditions anyway.

Tom up in Bellingham got 16 hrs with the Spectrum (same firebox). Our next door neighbor has gotten 12 hrs without really trying.

 

[webby3650]

I know, I know. No draft problems, though... So far...

I should add that it's double wall pipe to the class A

It was the 12" rather than 12' I was referring to. Bad pun I guess.

 

[Sprinter]

Tom up in Bellingham got 16 hrs with the Spectrum (same firebox). Our next door neighbor has gotten 12 hrs without really trying.

Someday I'll try that. Get some high BTU wood and fill-er-up and crank 'er down. Is that about it? I don't really have a need for those kind of burn times any more, but it would be fun to try for it.

 

[Sprinter]

It was the 12" rather than 12' I was referring to. Bad pun I guess.

oops. Glad I wasn't designing the Hubble...