Depends on one's flue and outside temps. I don't get that unless I try to burn above 50F outside.
Pacific Energy Super 27 vs. Lopi Endeavor
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Depends on one's flue and outside temps. I don't get that unless I try to burn above 50F outside.
You get smoke coming into your house if you try burning when it is over 50F outside?
Yeah I gotta get me one of them fancy stoves and hopefully someday I will figure out this wood burning stuff. But I still get a little smoke coming out on reloads even though that darn draft sucks the door shut if I move it within a half inch of closed when it is hot.
Maybe even someday just get a "cup" of stuff out of the pipe after a whole season.
Life in the cheap seats I guess.
I am learning quite a bit on this forum, thanks to you all for your help.
Tomorrow I am picking up a Morso 2mm steel hearth pad for what ever stove I end up going with.
Then, I am going to see a PE Fusion for the first time in person at one stove shop and then going to have a final look at the Endeavor at another shop. Hopefully, I will have all the info I need to pull the trigger soon. Thanks again.
Tomorrow I am picking up a Morso 2mm steel hearth pad for what ever stove I end up going with.
Then, I am going to see a PE Fusion for the first time in person at one stove shop and then going to have a final look at the Endeavor at another shop. Hopefully, I will have all the info I need to pull the trigger soon. Thanks again.
No, a little will spill out of the door on startup if I open the door too quickly. Once it's going it's not an issue. No issue with the door closed. When the temps are milder we just use the heatpump.
Sprinter
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Yeah, I get a little bit of that too sometimes. We will burn quite successfully with temps well into the 50's. Just have to be a little careful, but it's not really an issue.
Seanm
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Fall and spring I would get some back puffing into the house during start up but not during the winter. This was minimised by building top down fires on cold starts. Different pressure outside to inside during the fall and spring especially with a stove in the basement like mine. Opening up a window or a door helps. Others can correct me if i'm wrong but this isn't a stove specific issue. I've been told by my installer that this is also more prevalent in mountain valleys like where I live.
You are correct. I was doing a little joking. It is all about air density and pressure differentials. That and my habit of just grabbing the handle and opening the door too fast.
Sprinter
Minister of Fire
I'm convinced that top-down is the way to go for cold starts, especially in marginal conditions.
One other thing that can help the puff problem is opening up the air all the way before opening the door.
You got it. Works like a champ. Heats the flue fast before the wood starts giving off gases and then when it does the gases have to pass through fire on the way up.
The last couple of seasons I have gotten lazy though. The Super Cedars make it get hot fast enough to pretty much do the same thing.
Sprinter
Minister of Fire
Pulp mills are the smell of money in one of the communities around here (you know who you are...) I'd rather be poor.
I can't tell from the quote how tall it is. It calls for 9' of chimney, but doesn't say how much double wall connector pipe. It sounds like you will have good height though.
It doesn't say what brand of chimney though, most Pro's use 4' sections. Your quote says 36" pieces. Big Box stores carry 36" pieces, I hope he isn't using Super-Vent from Lowes or something!
I can't tell from the quote how tall it is. It calls for 9' of chimney, but doesn't say how much double wall connector pipe. It sounds like you will have good height though.
It doesn't say what brand of chimney though, most Pro's use 4' sections. Your quote says 36" pieces. Big Box stores carry 36" pieces, I hope he isn't using Super-Vent from Lowes or something!
I have now gotten three bids but did not verify the brand of pipe they want to use. I will get that next.
I went to two different shops today to see both the PE Fusion and the Endeavor.
Of course I was very impressed by the PE's floating heavy gauge stainless steel baffle:
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But I was also impressed by the Endeavor's simple and handy bypass damper:
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This is a close call. Two excellent stoves from two well respected stove shops.
I think I will go with the Endeavor though because the Lopi stove shop is only 20 miles away while the PE stove shop is 70 miles away. Even though I don't anticipate any problems with either stoves, I will have more peace of mind knowing that I will have assistance available that is more local.
Of course I was very impressed by the PE's floating heavy gauge stainless steel baffle:
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But I was also impressed by the Endeavor's simple and handy bypass damper:
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This is a close call. Two excellent stoves from two well respected stove shops.
I think I will go with the Endeavor though because the Lopi stove shop is only 20 miles away while the PE stove shop is 70 miles away. Even though I don't anticipate any problems with either stoves, I will have more peace of mind knowing that I will have assistance available that is more local.
Not a bad point even when it means you will not get the Super. (sniff) Anyway, enjoy your new "baby".
Sprinter
Minister of Fire
Funny, I thought exactly the same.
I am pretty sure I cannot see myself in the baffle anymore. 
NortheastAl
Minister of Fire
We're here!Yep, we PE owners just keep pounding Isipwater into submission. Where are the Lopi owners? They must be out there somewhere, don't they?
The Endeavor is a solid stove that had all the features I needed and wanted. Close clearances, bypass damper and a brick baffle. The bypass is great on reloads, and the extra mass from all the firebrick makes for a nice even and long lasting heat.
Of course, I'm biased, but I am very happy with the stove.
I only got one cup last year. Unfortunately it was a "D" cup.
Both of those stoves have lots of satisfied owners so I think you'll be a happy camper either way.
I think you will be happy with the Endeavor. The bypass makes for easy cleaning and with energy logs you can often push a burn out to 13 or 14 hours. I've never burned oak but curious what cherry and apple will do for me this winter. In addition, I have never experienced any smoke spillage in 50+ weather.
EDIT: I don't burn straight energy logs. I usually mix in one or two for long overnight burns.
EDIT: I don't burn straight energy logs. I usually mix in one or two for long overnight burns.
You're going to love burning fruit wood for its longer, hotter burn times and sweet smelling smoke. Save it for the dead of winter.
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