Dissapointed in New Blaze King King

[NoobTube]

The damper inside of the plenum parallel connection is also not a permitted add on furnace connection in Canada.

You can only add on a wood burning furnace using a downstream connection or the 'divider plate method'.
As per the certification standard CSA B366.1 and by the installation code B365 these are the only two add on connections permitted. Also note, some add ons themselves aren't certified for divider plate installations, in which case it would leave only the the downstream option. Further, cert requirements for add ons to oil were developed in '81, for electric in '84, and gas in '85.

But the basic requirement of any add on installation is that the original furnace must continue to operate under the same conditions as it did before the add on was installed. Tests should be done before and after for supply air temp and pressure before any alteration. Then tested again after the add on connection and then adjusted to produce the same results as before.

Things are somewhat strict and specific here the moment it becomes a furnace or a interconnected add on. That is what was throwing me earlier I think when people were talking about using a furnace as a space heater. As soon as ducting goes up, the requirements for clearances and air balancing either as a standalone, or the requirements of a add on aren't a simple affair.

Squisher, I think what you are referencing is what my friend has done with his. Its not an electric bypass damper or anything of that sort. Its a slide plate that goes through the pipes added on after the furnace.

Similar to this. See where the pipes are goign in from the DAKA to that add on box? Imagine a large slide plate that interrupts those at the plenum. It has to be manually moved into place.

 

[Squisher]

yah if I'm seeing that right and understanding your description. That would not be allowed up here.

I don't see it referenced in the drolet heatmax manual either? I would question that it would be allowed as you describe with having to manually move a damper? How is the existing FAF locked out when the damper is in place for wood heat?

A parallel connection is what is allowed using dampers only in the USA but they are floating, not manual. And I'm sure still require the units being wired together as well as it stating each appliance needs its own return air ducting.

 

[NoobTube]

Thats what im talking about except in addition to there being a flap damper he has a manual push slide. Do you have the diagram applicable for Canada? i'm curious how it differs.

 

[Squisher]

If you google drolet heatmax you can bring the whole manual right up no problem that I screenshotted that picture from.

 

[NoobTube]

OK so if i'm reading this right, the only way to do it in parallel with another furnace is to have a block off on the air return of the regular furnace so that when the wood furnace is in operation the supply comes from the wood stove and the return goes back to the wood stove. To utilize the same ducts he would need active dampers in both the return and supply side. Even then i don't know if that would pass the Canadian standards...

Man you guys have a strict code there.

 

[Squisher]

There is the downstream add on installation option though for sharing ductwork without any dampers or anything. Or the divider plate method which still has no dampers. And no parralel damper system is allowed. That drolet heatmax I referenced because it had been mentioned in this thread a couple of times. Now looking at the manual it looks like it's only meant to be used as a standalone furnace in Canada.

 

[Niko]

Do you guys like putting this thread to the top? It does the company no good for someone as negligent as the OP to post such a title.

Its not the stove fault, its his plain and simple. Moderators this thread should be locked. Damage is being done this company name becuae the OP decides to wright before he reads. I have made the same mistake in long posted threads also but i have never bad talked a company before or meant any harm to one or made a ignorant title post.

Rules should be introduced for people like this. You want help fine. Your thread title should be professional, especially when your are at 100 percent at fault. Is this was my company name being thrown around like this, well lets just day it would stop.

Im a business man and i take things like this serious.

 

[jetsam]

I don't think he's said that it's Blaze King's fault.

BKVP has already said that the stove is not likely to work correctly the way it is currently installed.

OP got misinformed as to whether the King would be a good stove for his setup; that's not his fault or BK's fault.

I am a BK fanboy myself, but I don't think they need such an enthusiastic defense here.

We've established that trev needs the least efficient stove he can get his hands on because he's to a great extent heating his house with his flue and most of the heat that goes into the basement gets eaten by the masonry. This means the King is the opposite of the right stove for him, it doesn't mean that the King isn't a great stove.

 

[rdust]

Do you guys like putting this thread to the top? It does the company no good for someone as negligent as the OP to post such a title.

Its not the stove fault, its his plain and simple. Moderators this thread should be locked. Damage is being done this company name becuae the OP decides to wright before he reads. I have made the same mistake in long posted threads also but i have never bad talked a company before or meant any harm to one or made a ignorant title post.

Rules should be introduced for people like this. You want help fine. Your thread title should be professional, especially when your are at 100 percent at fault. Is this was my company name being thrown around like this, well lets just day it would stop.

Im a business man and i take things like this serious.

Regardless of why, he's disappointed in his BK stove. I don't see a problem with the title. Not every stove is right for every situation. He needed BK users to look at his thread, no way for that to happen without a stove type in the title.

 

[Attaboy]

Do you guys like putting this thread to the top? It does the company no good for someone as negligent as the OP to post such a title.

Its not the stove fault, its his plain and simple. Moderators this thread should be locked. Damage is being done this company name becuae the OP decides to wright before he reads. I have made the same mistake in long posted threads also but i have never bad talked a company before or meant any harm to one or made a ignorant title post.

Rules should be introduced for people like this. You want help fine. Your thread title should be professional, especially when your are at 100 percent at fault. Is this was my company name being thrown around like this, well lets just day it would stop.

Im a business man and i take things like this serious.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the OP's subject title. He already explained a couple of times he went to the stove dealer explained his needs and wanted a plain Jane powerful heater with no glass even, he was sold a bill of goods even told he could reduce the venting from 8'' to 7'', sadly he based his decision on what the Blaze King dealer told him , he could of purchase many other stoves for considerably less money than the Blaze King and had better results.

Boy some of you Blaze King owners sure are susceptible !

I am now retired and I take things like this seriously also.

 

[Highbeam]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the OP's subject title. He already explained a couple of times he went to the stove dealer explained his needs and wanted a plane Jane powerful heater with no glass even, he was sold a bill of goods even told he could reduce the venting from 8'' to 7'', sadly he based his decision on what the Blaze King dealer told him , he could of purchase many other stoves for considerably less money than the Blaze King and had better results.

Boy some of you Blaze King owners sure are susceptible !

I am now retired and I take things like this seriously also.

That bk dealer that handed him the 8x7 reducer should be told to read the f'n manual.

 

[NoobTube]

That bk dealer that handed him the 8x7 reducer should be told to read the f'n manual.

Agree. 100% on that.

Its too bad he cant just move the BK upstairs into a room where he could put the correct size flue pipe in and up the roof or on the side of the house.

I think the current setup, like Squishy said is against code, and any solution to that effect will continue to be against code. If he wants to keep the stove, he will likely have to move it upstairs. If he wants to use his setup and not abide by the code, he could install a wood furnace in a location and get rid of the stove.

That BK would do mighty fine up on the main level, I think we can all agree to that.

 

[jetsam]

I think the current setup, like Squishy said is against code, and any solution to that effect will continue to be against code. If he wants to keep the stove, he will likely have to move it upstairs. If he wants to use his setup and not abide by the code, he could install a wood furnace in a location and get rid of the stove.

But he could block off that hood and put a highly inefficient 6" stove down there to be a flue heater. That would work even better if he insulated the masonry floor and walls, as the leftover heat could work its way up rather than going to the big heat sink in the ground.

Or maybe there's a furnace that will work- I'll leave that discussion to those that know what they're talking about.

 

[bholler]

Do you guys like putting this thread to the top? It does the company no good for someone as negligent as the OP to post such a title.

Its not the stove fault, its his plain and simple. Moderators this thread should be locked. Damage is being done this company name becuae the OP decides to wright before he reads. I have made the same mistake in long posted threads also but i have never bad talked a company before or meant any harm to one or made a ignorant title post.

Rules should be introduced for people like this. You want help fine. Your thread title should be professional, especially when your are at 100 percent at fault. Is this was my company name being thrown around like this, well lets just day it would stop.

Im a business man and i take things like this serious.

Listen people are going to be unhappy with a product from time to time no matter how good it is. I don't understand why you are so defensive on this issue. The stove isn't working for him plain and simple. While I have had my issues with the op in this thread he has every right to complain about his new stove not performing as expected. If the moderators eliminated every thread that was critical of a product this would be a very boring place that helped no one.

I mean really the vp of Bk does not seem at all upset about the things you get all worked up about what does that tell you? As a buisness man you should realize that there are some times there are going to be unhappy customers no matter how hard you try. All you can do is try to help them as best you can. But you dont attack them and tell them they have no right to complain.

 

[Highbeam]

I mean really the vp of Bk does not seem at all upset about the things you get all worked up about what does that tell you?

He contributed but he has a very sensitive position on a forum like this. He might be hopping mad but won't say so in public.

The thread contains the information to know that the stove is not at fault for the OP's problem. It's not the stove, it's the installation. Trouble is that you have to read 19 pages of stuff to get there.

 

[bholler]

He contributed but he has a very sensitive position on a forum like this. He might be hopping mad but won't say so in public.

I seriously doubt that he is upset about it at all other than possibly at the obviously incompetent dealer. But I dont know that for sure.

The thread contains the information to know that the stove is not at fault for the OP's problem. It's not the stove, it's the installation. Trouble is that you have to read 19 pages of stuff to get there.

Well that was said very early on and repeated over and over again throughout. I though it was pretty clear. I even said that early on and I am no Bk fan boy lol.

 

[Attaboy]

That bk dealer that handed him the 8x7 reducer should be told to read the f'n manual.

As a former business person myself I also know that the dealer/retailer is also an extension of the manufacturers marketing and sales therefore I strongly believe that it is the manufacturers responsibility to ensure that their dealers/retailers are properly trained and versed on every aspect of the product and even installations in this case, as well being aware that not all is permitted in order to obtain a sale to move product out the door and that as a manufacturer they do not condone wishy washy sales that become problematic after. When in doubt a quick simple call from the dealer to BK in this particular case could have gone a very long way towards the OP's final satisfaction even if it was without a BK stove. However nothing is perfect and the manufacturer is dealing with imperfect people be it with the stove dealer or end users calling in for help.

As previously posted I really do not believe that the stove is at fault here but it sure seems to me that the OP may have been sold a tainted bill of goods which will probably end up being costly for the OP unless he can get the retailer to stand up and take responsibility by helping the OP out which is what I sincerely hope happens when all is said and done as even if in writing it says not to reduce exhaust venting the dealer apparently gave his approval to do so.

 

[BKVP]

I am upset that Green Bay lost in the playoffs! I am not upset about this thread.

However, keep this in mind. A customer buys a product and cash and carries it out the door. He/she may have done so to save money, concerns about legal install or for whatever reason.

Each and every stove has an Owners and Operators Manual that states "read the manual prior to installation". Over the years, a few consumers have followed the guidelines, discovered there was a conflict, chimney size, clearances etc. They call here and we tell them how we feel they should proceed. In these cases the stove is new and not been burned and the dealer then helps the consumer with a better choice or solution.

If a person cash and carries the stove, sticks it under a pipe and burns it, then maybe, just maybe they should have read the manual. Just as it has been said by others here, the dealer too should have read the manual, so too should have the homeowner. And keeping all perspectives in mind, we have not heard from the dealer in the past 20 pages!!

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[bholler]

I am upset that Green Bay lost in the playoffs! I am not upset about this thread.

I didn't think you would be. I don't think it portrays your company or its stoves in a bad light at all.

 

[Tar12]

I don't think there is any damage being done to BK at all. I am becoming a BK fan boy and didn't feel violated at all... If anything this has been a very informative thread. Hopefully people can read this and can learn from it and be spared a very expensive lesson. Thats the beauty of the net and this forum...Knowledge.

 

[Squisher]

Exactly. I've learned a bunch in this thread. So it's been great for me. I still hope Trevj gets something worked out. Wood heat is a lot of work to not have overwhelming heat at your fingertips. It's gotten quite cold around here again. I hope his wife and him are staying warm.

 

[Woody Stover]

I am upset that Green Bay lost in the playoffs!

I didn't think you would be.

Why didn't you think he'd be upset that the Packers lost? Who wouldn't?!! Living in WI for 30+ yrs. I certainly am upset....you betcha! Now that I live in IN, I feel that the Colts' nemesis, the Pats, must be handed a comprehensive thrashing...even if the Falcons have to deflate a few footballs to do it!
Mea culpa; I have put ketchup on hot dogs, and will continue to do so. Only fancy ketchup, though. Sometimes I even resort to cheese, pepper and onions! Mustard, of course...but not that yellow crap!

 

[Dmitry]

Niko is very defensive but I see his point. When you google " Blaze King Disappointment" ( and I did this), first thing you can see is this thread. No perspective owner would go trough 20 pages to get to the bottom of this discussion. Someone gonna think this way : " Blaze King .. oh oh, disappointment... oh,oh, big house, not heating well... not my stove..."
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=blaze+king+disappointment
Niko should start thread " Blaze King is the best stove in a whole wide world " to level the field.

 

[bholler]

Niko is very defensive but I see his point. When you google " Blaze King Disappointment" ( and I did this), first thing you can see is this thread. No perspective owner would go trough 20 pages to get to the bottom of this discussion. Someone gonna think this way : " Blaze King .. oh oh, disappointment... oh,oh, big house, not heating well... not my stove..."
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=blaze+king+disappointment
Niko should start thread " Blaze King is the best stove in a whole wide world " to level the field.

Yes but if you google Blaze King Disappointment you are looking for critical reviews of Blaze King. The fact is that this is an open forum and the op has valid complaints about the performance of his stove. It became very clear quickly his issues were not due to the stove but were due to his setup and his operation of the stove. If you look you will find people who are unhappy about any stove that is on the market now. So why is it that Niko only has a problem with complaints about Blaze Kings? If it was about fairness shouldn't he be calling for all criticism of any stove to be pulled from this site?

Come on people come to this site to discuss and get help with their stoves. If we eliminated any negative comments about specific stoves the site would be worthless.

 

[Dmitry]

Come on people come to this site to discuss and get help with their stoves. If we eliminated any negative comments about specific stoves the site would be worthless.

You are right. Personally, I find negative reviews very valuable. Sometimes more then positives. You can do your research and form your opinion.