Upgrading 1988 Heatilator to 2016 Pacific Energy FP30

[Weaselfest]

they
sent 4 able bodied men........turns out they will need them

 

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But.......things go south fast......after getting unit through the door, the second time lifting the unit with the nylon straps they ran under the carriage, one fails, bringing all of it down in the 18" section between sheets of OSB. Only 4" above the floor, but it left a healthy divot, and put a small bend in the front corner of the surround. !@#$%!!

 

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This is followed up by the discovery that the adapter that connects the firebox to the chimney is missing. Turns out, never ordered......double !@#$#%%%$$#@!. This has been sitting, waiting since November, install scheduled two weeks ago, and nobody reviewed what pieces were needed until arriving on site. My confidence is not overwhelmed.

 

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So, maybe Thursday. Which is a real shame, because it is almost 40 degrees and sunny. Couldn't have asked for better weather in February.

 

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This gives me time to ask some opinions. The FP30 comes with only one duct for a fresh air intake. Is there any reason why I would want to have the second one added?
Followup question, what is the best type of flexible duct to make this connection. Unit does not come with ducting or recommendations. (Observation to this point: Unit doesn't come with much of anything for installation instructions, which is a bit alarming, since it doesn't look like my installers have put in one of these models before.)

 

[Weaselfest]

So here it sits.

 

[mcdougy]

This gives me time to ask some opinions. The FP30 comes with only one duct for a fresh air intake. Is there any reason why I would want to have the second one added?
Followup question, what is the best type of flexible duct to make this connection. Unit does not come with ducting or recommendations. (Observation to this point: Unit doesn't come with much of anything for installation instructions, which is a bit alarming, since it doesn't look like my installers have put in one of these models before.)

What's the chimney length? I highly doubt 2 intakes is ever necessary, may be giving the option as to which side. From what I have read you def. want the fresh air intake piping to be insulated. This is a common spot for issues with moisture. The pros will direct you on the actual pipe, im thinking really any flex with good insulation works.
Sorry to read about your follies with install. S*#t does happen, believe me I know, trying to drill a well and there has been many mishaps, but I continue to have faith

 

[Weaselfest]

What's the chimney length? I highly doubt 2 intakes is ever necessary, may be giving the option as to which side. From what I have read you def. want the fresh air intake piping to be insulated. This is a common spot for issues with moisture. The pros will direct you on the actual pipe, im thinking really any flex with good insulation works.
Sorry to read about your follies with install. S*#t does happen, believe me I know, trying to drill a well and there has been many mishaps, but I continue to have faith

pretty sure total chimney height will be 18', and there were two existing intakes from the old Heatilator. Looks like I need to seal one up before Thursday.

 

[Squisher]

Do you have the manual? The instal instructions look quite adequate to me? I just gave them a quick once over and I even caught the note in regards to requiring the chimney manufacturers fireplace anchor which apparently your installers never noticed.

Sounds frustrating so far. I hope it gets sorted smoothly for you.

 

[Weaselfest]

Do you have the manual? The instal instructions look quite adequate to me? I just gave them a quick once over and I even caught the note in regards to requiring the chimney manufacturers fireplace anchor which apparently your installers never noticed.

Sounds frustrating so far. I hope it gets sorted smoothly for you.

It was pretty apparent no one had pulled the manual out of the box before this morning. Which really is no excuse, because it looks exactly like the one I referenced online for rough in.

 

[mcdougy]

It was pretty apparent no one had pulled the manual out of the box before this morning.

That's a shame....nothing like investing your hard earned cash and having folks show up that it's just another day to them......again well guys showed up not having a clue how deep other wells in the area were.......I feel your pain.

 

[Squisher]

I can't fathom operating a business and sending four guys out to do an install and no ones double checked the parts or looked over the installation manual? Call me crazy, but I can't see that being very efficient from a business perspective.

Hopefully they come back with a strong finish.

 

[Weaselfest]

I can't fathom operating a business and sending four guys out to do an install and no ones double checked the parts or looked over the installation manual? Call me crazy, but I can't see that being very efficient from a business perspective.

Hopefully they come back with a strong finish.

Not the way I do it on my jobs on campus. Don't want to say I never miss ordering something, but I can't say I've ever rolled onto the jobsite without going through the owner's manuals of what I am installing ahead of time, especially if I didn't quote the job.

 

[saydinli]

Only 1 OAK is needed as per manual. Block off the side not needed . They just give you the option which side you want use.
I have half of mine blocked off because I get such a good draft. But my chimney is 26ft. And most is inside the house.
My OAK is insulated and vapour barrier for about 12 inches from the wall where it comes in. I have a install thread going with pictures at the beginning.


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valour Barrie red

What is this?

 

[mcdougy]

What is this?

My guess it is spell check for " vapour barriered"

 

[begreen]

My guess it is spell check for " vapour barriered"

thanks. Some of the spell check posts are getting pretty obscure lately.

 

[saydinli]

What is this?

LOL
McDougy was right. Stupid spell check on my phone. I have corrected it now.

 

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Things went much smoother on day 2. Incredibly cooperative weather again. 45 degrees in Iowa in February? I"ll take it!
Have to say, I'm pretty darn pleased with my rough opening framing. It was spot on. The installers didn't like the tall hearth from a lifting stand point, but love it from an operational one. Perfect height for loading wood and cleaning.

 

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My bump out for the stone surround and extra reinforcement of the header on the inside of the chase created the need to use two 15 degree offsets to maintain 2" clearance on the chimney, which kind of sucks, fiscally, but shouldn't cause too much grief from an operational or maintenance aspect, should it?

 

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Outside air intake...

 

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itsy bitsy tiny new chimney... total length ended up being 17'.

 

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Virgin firebox. Take a good long look, it will never appear this pristine again.

 

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anybody have any clever safe ideas on how to trip/ bypass the thermal switch to see if my blower wiring is good?

 

[mcdougy]

Blowtorch?