IMO the most dangerous component in my build is the EPA instigated stove itself. So hard for the end user to easily control and feel confident about.
Your stove is no longer an EPA certified stove or a listed stove. You cut a giant hole in the bottom of it and installed a very questionably sealed ash pan.
of course the surface temps matter what else besides that temp might cause a problem? Nothing I have posted shows me trying to justify anything to anyone.... LOL ... I already know it works and is safe . Next move is to bring it out into the room for ease of radiation and room for a larger pot of chili.
IMO it takes too much air in an effort to keep the glass clean which is probably consumer driven in the design thinking....end user wanting a clean view of wood burning.
You clearly have no idea how heat transfer convective cooling etc work if that is what you think. Which is why you can't understand why your setup is so dangerous.
IMO it is the volume of air needed to keep the glass clean that is beyond what a controllable fire requires hence the hundreds of end users coming here over and over to get answers as to why their stove gets scary hot. After a while, and endless blaming of the end user as doing things incorrectly, (default setting here) you have to ask if these stoves are a safe design to unleash on the large spectrum of consumers who are stuck with these types of stoves as their only choice in a new unit. Safety first.
Again you are basing your opinion solely upon your experience with a very low end Asian import stove that you heavily modified. Yes some people have issues with over firing. But most of the time that is because the stove is not installed according to manufacturers specifications. Or it isn't actually an over fire it is just a nervous new burner.
No telling how many are sitting unused after the thing scared the owners into not using it. I spoke to several folks trying to sell their nearly new units. One guy admitted that he was going back to his 25 year old stove because the new one was a little "trickier" to run. But from what I learned on here it was most likely his fault even though he thought he knew how to heat with wood after 25 years.
Sure, I'm not disparaging anyone. This site is a huge mix of all types of wood heat enthusiasts. I am simply responding to the constant barrage of negative attacks mostly coming from you, sir.
How are looking out for your safety or expecting you to back up your claims that all modern stoves are uncontroable death traps negative attacks?
No it was probably the dealer and or installers fault for not giving him the tools to make the stove work properly. Possibly his as well but we don't know because we have no info
In addition tube stoves (which are really the only ones you are referring to are not the only option available. The whole issue comes down to the fact that stoves need to be installed to spec and operated properly. If that is done the vast majority are very controllable. Yes there are without a doubt some pretty crappy stoves available. But that doesn't mean all of them are.
I am hoping it serves as a cautionary tale for others.
That would be a scarier set up with a pre EPA stove like a Fisher
I have not seen that be the case in higher end EPA stoves. I get little to no yellowed orange flames down low on the fire with vigorous blue secondary on top. My Lopi Freedom would have soot on the glass and be on the verge of overfire or slightly into overfire. My epa stoves have over fire issues due to the 28' flu. The situation was remedy with a flu damper.
Why did my pre EPA stove crack?
