Good bye to EPA stove!!

[Dieselhead]

Carol Brady called, her house is getting cold and she wants her stove back but hey I hope it works better for you then your last lemon!

 

[Hogwildz]

My new buck stove is great burn one year old red oak with no problems

Now that's something to boast about.
Good luck with that.
Nice looking suitcase you have there.

 

[blades]

Not a fan of USS equipment based on the the low end furnace I have in basement and many feed backs on the company over the years. They are in no way related Drolet which is a Division of SBI out of Canada. USS mostly is all chicom mfg- which pretty much defines the problem/s right there.

 

[corey21]

Had to start using my pipe damper to hold more heat in.

 

[corey21]

Ok im am finding out im losing a lot of heat out the chimney is it a bad idea to use my pipe damper all the time? Especially when im running about 700 on the probe do i close it some and leave it till reload or the fire gets low.

 

[Hogwildz]

This comes with using a pre-EPA stove. You can try using the damper more, but you may build more creo in the stack. Best to keep an eye on it.
Your wanting the best of both pre EPA & EPA stoves, and usually, you can't have it both ways.

 

[bholler]

Yeah you will have that all you can do is close the damper down but make sure your thermometer is above the damper and you still have enough temp there. And yes it will increase creosote but that is what happens when you go to an old style stove

 

[claydogg84]

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Need to build a hearth when it was installed that was the biggest pad

You can really pack the wood in it

Good lord, is that thing in your living space!?!?

 

[corey21]

This comes with using a pre-EPA stove. You can try using the damper more, but you may build more creo in the stack. Best to keep an eye on it.
Your wanting the best of both pre EPA & EPA stoves, and usually, you can't have it both ways.

Yeah you will have that all you can do is close the damper down but make sure your thermometer is above the damper and you still have enough temp there. And yes it will increase creosote but that is what happens when you go to an old style stove

Thank you all for the help. I like this pre EPA stove a heck a lot better then my last EPA stove this stove has not givin me any real problems at all. The creo with the damper being used i could see problem down the road there if used improperly but my probe is above the damper so i just need to experiment some.

Good lord, is that thing in your living space!?!?

Yeah in my living room. its a big stove but i love it. Its a heavy duty stove only weighs 460 pounds.

 

[Hogwildz]

Might as well top it off with a Magicheat add on....

 

[Huntindog1]

Corey21

Gone to the dark side, you have. Hmmmmmm.

As Yoda would say

 

[MarylandGuy]

I like this pre EPA stove a heck a lot better then my last EPA stove this stove has not givin me any real problems at all.

With all due respect, as bholler suggested, you sound kind of silly lumping your old cheap EPA approved stove with all EPA stoves. That's like getting rid of an old Datsun that gave you issues and blaming all Japanese cars. Had you bought a Toyota or a Lexus in the first place, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

In a few months you are going to post how your "new" stove eats lots of wood and caused a chimney fire.

Do yourself a favor and start scanning Craigslist for a decent, used modern stove. You will never look back.

 

[Huntindog1]

Here ya go Hogwildz

 

[begreen]

Yeah in my living room. its a big stove but i love it. Its a heavy duty stove only weighs 460 pounds.

I'll see that 460# and raise it 15 lbs. with an Englander 30NC or should I really up the ante with 125 lbs for the Alderlea T6.

 

[corey21]

With all due respect, as bholler suggested, you sound kind of silly lumping your old cheap EPA approved stove with all EPA stoves. That's like getting rid of an old Datsun that gave you issues and blaming all Japanese cars. Had you bought a Toyota or a Lexus in the first place, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

In a few months you are going to post how your "new" stove eats lots of wood and caused a chimney fire.

Do yourself a favor and start scanning Craigslist for a decent, used modern stove. You will never look back.

I understand what your saying and I did not mean all epa stoves I just hated the one I had. I done great with the wondercoal back in 2009. These type of stove suit me better

 

[Simonkenton]

I am with Corey. I am a Troglodyte, a cave-dweller. DNA testing shows that I am 3.1 percent Neanderthal.
I like the old pre EPA stoves! I had a 1988 VC Resolute that was a fantastic stove, wish I still had it. It burned dry wood, green wood, it didn't care. Easy to light.

I am such a Troglodyte that, 30 years ago, I had a Sotz 55 gallon double drum stove and I loved it! What a huge fire box!
I have 3 chain saws, and a pickup truck, I can get all the wood I need for free. Chopping firewood is good exercise.

Alas, modern times have caught up with me. The fiancee hates the look of the Sotz.
Women. Go figure.
Next year I will be getting a Jotul Oslo, and will build a solar powered wood shed so that I can get my firewood down to the low humidity that these EPA stoves demand.

 

[bholler]

so that I can get my firewood down to the low humidity that these EPA stoves demand

I am sorry but wet wood burns just as bad in old stoves as it does in new ones i really dont see where everyone gets that idea. Water doesn't burn so no matter what the stove if your wood is wet you are wasting tons of btus to drive that moisture out and dumping a ton of crap into the chimney at the same time

 

[MarylandGuy]

That's funny, the things we do for woman.

 

[corey21]

I am sorry but wet wood burns just as bad in old stoves as it does in new ones i really dont see where everyone gets that idea. Water doesn't burn so no matter what the stove if your wood is wet you are wasting tons of btus to drive that moisture out and dumping a ton of crap into the chimney at the same time

Old stoves are much more forgiving then epa stoves are when it comes to wet wood.

 

[BrotherBart]

Different smoke for different folk.

 

[Simonkenton]

Yes! The old VC Resolute would burn green wood fine. I had one stack of green, fresh cut and split oak, and one stack of dry oak, one year old.
I always lit the stove with dry wood. If it was really cold I burned only dry wood.
But, this was central Georgia, not northern Minnesota. On a typical 30 degree January night, I would load that Resolute up with the green wood and it would hold fire all night long. Yes I lost heat by the drying of the wood in the stove, but it put out sufficient heat, and it kept coals for 8 hours, good enough for me.
I didn't have bad problems with creosote and only swept the pipe once a year.

But, here is the oldy but goodie of the old time stoves. The classic Sotz double drum.

Rated at 250,000 BTU! What a champ!
The fire box is 32 inches long, and the door is 11 x 11 inches. Get a good bed of coals in there, you could get a 15 hour burn easily.
Pictured to the right is the smaller Sotz, with the round door. I also had one of those for 3 years, made it with a 30 gallon pressure tank from a home water well. That was also a great stove, huge firebox.

ps I don't understand why the fiancee hates the Sotz, it looks beautiful to me. Very practical.

 

[corey21]

Yes! The old VC Resolute would burn green wood fine. I had one stack of green, fresh cut and split oak, and one stack of dry oak, one year old.
I always lit the stove with dry wood. If it was really cold I burned only dry wood.
But, this was central Georgia, not northern Minnesota. On a typical 30 degree January night, I would load that Resolute up with the green wood and it would hold fire all night long. Yes I lost heat by the drying of the wood in the stove, but it put out sufficient heat, and it kept coals for 8 hours, good enough for me.
I didn't have bad problems with creosote and only swept the pipe once a year.

But, here is the oldy but goodie of the old time stoves. The classic Sotz double drum.

Rated at 250,000 BTU! What a champ!
The fire box is 32 inches long, and the door is 11 x 11 inches. Get a good bed of coals in there, you could get a 15 hour burn easily.
Pictured to the right is the smaller Sotz, with the round door. I also had one of those for 3 years, made it with a 30 gallon pressure tank from a home water well. That was also a great stove, huge firebox.

About the same way this stove does and back in 09 with the wondercoal we were out of power for 2 weeks due to a huge wet snow. I run out wood and cut up a red oak a huge one that had fell during the snow and threw some in the fire that day. No big issues came from that .

 

[BrotherBart]

Guy I worked with in the eighties has a barrel stove in the basement that came with the house he bought. It had the smaller door frame. He was shoving big wood in it one night and got his arms stuck against the side of the door from. The log was between in hands. Emergency room time with major burns on both arms.

I had one in the basement myself for a few years in the eighties. Finally drug if you, cut doors in both ends of the top barrel, put racks in it and made a major meat smoker out of it.

 

[Simonkenton]

Brother Bart! You are an old time Sotz double drum owner!
Admit it, you loved that stove.

 

[corey21]

Guy I worked with in the eighties has a barrel stove in the basement that came with the house he bought. It had the smaller door frame. He was shoving big wood in it one night and got his arms stuck against the side of the door from. The log was between in hands. Emergency room time with major burns on both arms.

I had one in the basement myself for a few years in the eighties. Finally drug if you, cut doors in both ends of the top barrel, put racks in it and made a major meat smoker out of it.

That sounds painful ouch