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begreen said:
The article is American mfg. centric. Hyundai Motor Group is doing well with EV sales here too.
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Google AI sales numbers
  • United States
    Hyundai sold 61,000 EVs in the US in Q3 2024, a 19% decrease from the same period in 2023. This is due to a decline in EV demand across the industry, and consumers shifting to more affordable hybrid vehicles.
  • Global
    Hyundai sold 201,849 electrified models globally in Q3 2024, which is a 19.5% increase from the same period in 2023. This includes hybrids, plug-in hybrids, battery electric vehicles (EVs), and fuel cell electric vehicles.
  • North America
    Hyundai sold 300,319 units in North America in Q3 2024, which is a 9.3% increase from the same period in 2023. The popularity of the new SANTA FE and the TUCSON SUV contributed to this increase.
 
61,000 EVs in a quarter is still good. The EV9 sales are ramping up and it's selling well. So will the Ioniq7 I think. The lower priced EV3 coming out early 2025 looks like it could be a strong seller. The point was that they are making money, not complaining about losses.
 
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begreen said:
61,000 EVs in a quarter is still good. The EV9 sales are ramping up and it's selling well. So will the Ioniq7 I think. The lower priced EV3 coming out early 2025 looks like it could be a strong seller. The point was that they are making money, not complaining about losses.
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But almost 20% decrease YoY. That’s not good. If they loose the the leasing tax credit I expect another 20% decline. Ev3 is worth watching.

I don’t think most consumers shopping for vehicles under 40k will chose an EV over a PHEV or regular hybrid without the tax credit. The Prius Prime starts at 33k. The Camry at 29k.

Why would they stop at cars. Why not get rid of the solar tax credit or the biomass heater credit (I doubt Musk even knows about that one) ?

My point is these incentives are needed to change spending behavior as long as there is some price parity between the old and the new choices.
 
EbS-P said:
But almost 20% decrease YoY. That’s not good. If they loose the the leasing tax credit I expect another 20% decline. Ev3 is worth watching.

I don’t think most consumers shopping for vehicles under 40k will chose an EV over a PHEV or regular hybrid without the tax credit. The Prius Prime starts at 33k. The Camry at 29k.

Why would they stop at cars. Why not get rid of the solar tax credit or the biomass heater credit (I doubt Musk even knows about that one) ?

My point is these incentives are needed to change spending behavior as long as there is some price parity between the old and the new choices.
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Agreed. I should have been more specific. The point was to correct the misstatement by Nelson in the CNN article.
"The end of the credit “will widen Tesla’s competitive moat by making competing EV models even more uneconomic, as we believe TSLA is the only profitable manufacturer of EVs,” wrote Garrett Nelson, analyst for CFRA Research, in a note to clients the day after the election."

HMG has started making cars in South Carolina, so this battle continues. However, if the new administration further upsets trade balances with egregious tariffs then all lose, most of all the consumer.
 
With tariffs Tesla looses the least. The number I saw was better 60-75% American made parts. I can’t find the actual number now.


Ford GM and Stellantis can’t like this. but what is sourced from China is probably available from SE Asia or Eastern Europe with the exception of batteries. I see that as the real issue. But as costs keep coming down we just won’t see that in America. Further slowing down green tech adoption.
 
Seems like EV trucking is taking off in the EU. This driver set a a personal record hauling 24 tons of cargo over 400 miles in a work day with his electric semi.

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Better questions were needed. Like how many cars are in your household? Do you plan on replacing or adding a vehicle in the next 12 months? Add or replace? Etc

So I’m calling it unreliable data as EVs made up 8% of all sales in the US. Do people who don’t want an EV are buying one anyway???? Other questions seems fine.
 
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woodgeek said:
5% want a BEV, and 45% want AI in their next car. ;lol

I'd like to see it broken down by NEW car buyers, not all car buyers.
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That AI percentage is more worrying to me (at this point; future may be better) than the EV percentage :confused:
 
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IMHO AI is just another way for the automakers to spy on you and sell your information to insurance companies. My plan is to keep my 2016 Avalon until the wheels fall off because I don't want big brother watching me.

I'm probably part of the 20% that will go the hybrid route for my next vehicle. I'd go full BEV, but my other vehicle is a truck that gets horrible MPG and not road trip worthy. I'm also not a fan of knowingly spending my hard earned money at Herr Elon's charging stations for when I would take a BEV on a road trip.
 
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sloeffle said:
IMHO AI is just another way for the automakers to spy on you and sell your information to insurance companies. My plan is to keep my 2016 Avalon until the wheels fall off because I don't want big brother watching me.

I'm probably part of the 20% that will go the hybrid route for my next vehicle. I'd go full BEV, but my other vehicle is a truck that gets horrible MPG and not road trip worthy. I'm also not a fan of knowingly spending my hard earned money at Herr Elon's charging stations for when I would take a BEV on a road trip.
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I don't reckon he makes any real profit on slinging electrons. Its just a 'cost' needed to move the vehicles.

I'll happily charge my non-Tesla BEV on a Tesla SC.
 
woodgeek said:
I don't reckon he makes any real profit on slinging electrons. Its just a 'cost' needed to move the vehicles.

I'll happily charge my non-Tesla BEV on a Tesla SC.
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I don't care if he makes 0.00000001 cents from my charge, I'm still not going to support any of his businesses. I'l leave most of my comments to myself because I don't want to railroad this thread.
 
Had a colleague not make in car destination following the in car navigation on her first trip. Mustang MachE. Tesla has had that figured out for years….. he’s a jerk but the product was well conceived.
sloeffle said:
I don't care if he makes 0.00000001 cents from my charge, I'm still not going to support any of his businesses. I'l leave most of my comments to myself because I don't want to railroad this thread.
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PhEV is good but…. They going to command a price premium sooner than later as battery prices drop. Petroleum market is more variable than the electricity market. As some point 10am-2pm electricity will become stupid cheap.
 
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perhaps you meant 10 pm to 2 am, as that is generally the low consumption time here in the states.
 
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perhaps you meant 10 pm to 2 am, as that is generally the low consumption time here in the states.
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no, solar production is high between 10 am and 2 pm, decreasing electricity prices in that time frame.
 
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