Does the world need another pellet stove?

[SidecarFlip]

Shed heaters.

But getting UL listing is nothing more than throwing money at it. It's not about making a safe product, it's about not making an unsafe product and paying to put their logo on your item. Look at all the UL listed extension cords and appliances that caused problems. UL listing is just a pay to play organization. Right amount of money, and you can sell razor blade pacifiers to children.

That said, if I do get interested in selling these outside of friends/family, they will get their listing or whatever is required to make them usable. If nothing else, safe distances on an aluminum or steel plate attached to the back.

(or at least enough legalese to make them stupid resistant. I donated a kidney to a lawyer...I think I'm good for it)

I didn't catch that comment when I was reading your posts yesterday. Thats bullshitte. I ought to know, I worked a number of years for the American Gas Association Testing Labs in Independence, Ohio as a techinician, testing and evaluating gas appliances for AGA certification and at no time was any testing or certification predicated on anything but factual matters. Manufacturers were never allowd to impact the testing in any way, they weren't even allowed to be on the property when testing was being done.

It's not a UL (Underwriters Lab) certification that applies to a solid fuel appliance ianyway, It's, a Warnock-Hershey cert. WH is the solid fuel counterpart of the AGA. Get your facts straight before making baseless comments conjured up from your obviously limited knowledge.

You seem to be on here trolling for customers to advance your idea/agenda more than anything else, or so it appears to me.

 

[millerized]

Firearms manufacturing has more laws regulations and alphabet agencies up your but. That he isn't easily scared.

That's what he was saying.

Pretty much.
If it gets to the point of making more than one of these, we'll start the process for making the payoffs. Payoffs are part of doing business. State, Federal, County, City...everyone wants a piece of the action. As long as you pay it, you'll get to play the games.
I just built it to heat my house. If I can heat a few more folks homes, great. Dot.gov oversight and interference and lawyers crawling through my business...nothing new.

 

[millerized]

It's not a UL (Underwriters Lab) certification that applies to a solid fuel appliance ianyway, It's, a Warnock-Hershey cert. WH is the solid fuel counterpart of the AGA. Get your facts straight before making baseless comments conjured up from your obviously limited knowledge.
You seem to be on here trolling for customers to advance your idea/agenda more than anything else, or so it appears to me.

http://wisewaypelletstoves.com/wiseway-pellet-stoves-faqs.htm
UL Listed pellet stove is how it's advertised.

I'm testing for personal use, with possible intentions of looking for a market. Eventually. Maybe.
Selling? Considering the market is very small, and suppliers are very limited....Maybe.
Done right, it's possible to be a self funding hobby, even if just local market.
But, production is a long way off. Again, I'm testing for personal use.

UL has been 'caught' more than once doing nothing more than rubber stamping....to the cost of lives and property.
That they are involved in a pellet stove approval process could probably just another rubber stamp deal...based on their history.
Are they/do they? Yes. Unfortunately, they're still a respected organization after that. But, again, you pay to play. It's how the world works.

Your mention of a WH cert... thanks. I now have another source of information on what needs to be looked at, if applicable.

Limited knowledge? On pellet stoves...yes. I'll freely admit my ignorance on pellet stove compliance process. One of the reasons I'm looking into it, and asking questions.

I apologize I haven't cleared my questions with you before asking them. I hadn't realized my projects required permissions before building them for personal use, or even researching a possible market.
And since you're so much more invested in my project than I obviously am, could you please tell me what I should be researching or building next? I'd hate to get it wrong, or not to your specifications.
Is there anything I'm missing? Different guage steel than what I'm using? Is the angle of the tubes in the middle, or maybe a better process for making the burn baskets?

Seriously...find a fight where there is one as there isn't one here. Any toes stepped on were your own.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I really have no dog in the fight other than commenting on your obvious lack of knowledge concerning required certifications. Making blanket statements not based on fact but rather your interpretations of what you presume is fact is not at all flattering. I still believe you are trolling and nothing more.

Is there room for another manufacturer, probably, but do it right not half assed and don't demean any organization you know nothing about. It only makes you look bad.

 

[millerized]

The only other gravity fed stove on the market today boasts an UL approval, a CSA rating, and is EPA certified. It's approved for mobile homes. Would you consider that to be an approved stove?

It does not boast a WH certificate, nor does it mention applying, needing or requiring one. But he's still selling them across the US, and possibly the world. Would you consider his to be a valid product without the WH certificate?

A UL certificate, in his case, makes all the difference in the world. (regardless if the organization is paid, and with/without proper testing a product is stamped as UL listed...that's the way it works..... Did they test his stove? It's got the UL approval....and in reality, that's all that matters whether it was a rubber stamp or an actual full on test)

Trolling? Hell, I'd love to sell them. If someone would pay me for something I love doing, something that is worth what they're paying, sure as hell I'd be making them for sale. Would you sell something that you hadn't tested, hadn't asked public opinion, found a niche market or customer wanted features? Maybe that's why you're so insistent in this thread. (or maybe other reasons?) I'm showing what is possible 'right now', asking opinions (worth every penny) but I am not selling them. Yet. Trolling? For opinions, damn straight. It's called market research.

Trolling for a sale? If someone gets interested, I'll sell them one. At some point someone else is going to have to try one of these besides me. But calling that trolling? Really? Do you even understand the context and/or meaning of trolling? I'm researching a perceived market, the value of such a product and public opinion regarding an idea I have. But trolling? Hardly.

Again, I just built this stove a few months ago. I'm very new at this. Some local folks have seen it, expressed interest in it. I'm asking if the world would accept another stove, something a bit different. My initial post mentions pretty much that. I have not, nor will I offer these for sale here. It's currently just research. Nothing more. Find the target audience with the most valid information and subject matter experience and ask them the questions. The only reasonably close designed product has UL approval. That's my starting point.
Before it goes anywhere I'm researching what needs to be done to make it a valid product. The valid product that it most compares to has the above listings....and if that stove is sell-able with those listings, then anything I make should at least have those. Would you agree with that? That it doesn't have your WH certificate or rating....does that make it an non-valid product for sale? Something that's not safe?

You are obviously the subject matter expert, and I'm here asking questions. You have given little information, but lots of grief and attitude, and opinions why it can't be done.

As a question to others out there....does your pellet stove have the Warnock-Hershey stamp, approval WH mark on your stove?

 

[SidecarFlip]

Research what you want to, it matters not to me. However, making statements concerning political ramifications of certification of appliances is bs that I know first hand is not true. Making blanket statements like that destroys any credibility you may have far as I'm concerned. Carry on and enjoy yourself.

Whether I agree or disagree with any premise you put forth is not germane to you and your proposed product in as much as I don't want one.certified or not.

 

[millerized]

However, making statements concerning political ramifications of certification of appliances is bs that I know first hand is not true.

You must have been one of the UL guys that got fired.
That would explain the heartburn.

 

[seige101]

I love it. I could see buying one for our hunting cabin. Make it a little lower and a flat black paint and i would look nice.

 

[BigCephus]

It's ok Jim it's just not pretty like a Harmon so folks will hate it...
Haha

 

[BrotherBart]

Been about as entertained by this one as I care to be.