Couldn’t buy a blaze king... even if I wanted too

[bholler]

I understand everything like I said but I am going to disagreed with that statement because I did use mine on weekends only for awhile and also to heat a near 2400sf old leaky house with no problems when I installed the first one. I never has to run it wide open all the time. Actually there is no need to run it like that to get heat out of it.

I didnt say that a bk couldnt do it. Just that there is no point in using a stove that excells at low and slow to bring a cabin up to temp. I spend a fair ammout of time at several different cabins and if you go there for a weekend when it is in the 20s outside you will be running the stove as hard as you xan for the first day to bring everything up to temp. Even after that the stuff still isnt that warm if you sit in one spot for to long you feel that cold so the whole weekend you will be running the stove hard.

Because of that a cat stoves strenghts will slmost never be used.

 

[bholler]

It doesn't matter what is the temperature. Any technology will have the same stress to heat up the place. And because is a non cat we can't say that you can run it way hotter because then you are over firing the stove and flue. Don't get me wrong, I am not just siding with cat stoves, just I am sure that any technology will have to work hard to do it regardless.

I can tell you without a doubt the princess opened all the way up does not put out the same heat that my regency did when run hard but within safe temps. Yes the bk will put its heat out over a longer period of time but when the space is cold and you need btus now that longer burn doesnt mean a thing.

 

[Highbeam]

Both technologies are capable of the same peak temperatures of 800 or so on the stove top. No performance disadvantage to a cat stove. Eventually the cabin will warm up and then only the cat stove can be turned way down where the cat stove does have the performance advantage.

It’s not like you run it all weekend at full throttle do you? Even that won’t hurt a cat stove.

 

[bholler]

Your new princess is gonna change your tune if you ever get around to burning it.

I am burning it. I do like how it works but it is still ugly as hell. No matter how well it works that isnt going to change.

 

[lsucet]

I didnt say that a bk couldnt do it. Just that there is no point in using a stove that excells at low and slow to bring a cabin up to temp. I spend a fair ammout of time at several different cabins and if you go there for a weekend when it is in the 20s outside you will be running the stove as hard as you xan for the first day to bring everything up to temp. Even after that the stuff still isnt that warm if you sit in one spot for to long you feel that cold so the whole weekend you will be running the stove hard.

Because of that a cat stoves strenghts will slmost never be used.

I do understand and if I have a place like that I am better going to home Depot or Lowe's and buy a NC30 or better than that. AMFM Energy.( Cheaper)

 

[bholler]

Both technologies are capable of the same peak temperatures of 800 or so on the stove top. No performance disadvantage to a cat stove. Eventually the cabin will warm up and then only the cat stove can be turned way down where the cat stove does have the performance advantage.

It’s not like you run it all weekend at full throttle do you? Even that won’t hurt a cat stove.

At times yes you do have to run the whole weekend at full throttle.

 

[lsucet]

I can tell you without a doubt the princess opened all the way up does not put out the same heat that my regency did when run hard but within safe temps. Yes the bk will put its heat out over a longer period of time but when the space is cold and you need btus now that longer burn doesnt mean a thing.

Sorry I have to disagree again. If you burn into the safe zone as you said both should be the same. Give you some time to see what we are talking about.

 

[bholler]

Sorry I have to disagree again. If you burn into the safe zone as you said both should be the same. Give you some time to see what we are talking about.

The internal temps in the firebox of a tube stove are considerably higher than a cat stove because the secondary combustion takes place there. The top of a cat stove is hotter because of the cat. But run hard the tube stove will have a higher temp over more surface area than the cat stove. That means more heat transfered into the room.

 

[Ludlow]

Well, when its 5 below Im probably not going anyway. LOL. We have been there in the single digits....very often in the teens and mid twenties too many times to list. If you run a BK hot and heavy most of the time you are there, then why pay for an efficiency that you may very seldom if ever use? Why spend the money when you are just going to run wood through it anyway? Not worth the additional expenditure IMO.

THEN, there is one thing that nobody has mentioned. OK, so you do want a BK and its long burn time. So what do you do when you have to leave for home and there is a load of wood with 8 hours left? They are great. Maybe the best. They dont fit every situation.

 

[lsucet]

There is no differences, sorry. Just run the cat stove higher. You control how hard you want to run it better. My Englanders used to get hot and everyone knows they can run hot and I used to touch the back and sides where the shields are and I can keep my hands there. So is the BK. Same concept cause I have the ultra. I think the parlor will radiate more from the sides cause no shields. With shields the radiate more to the front and a convective way.

 

[Ludlow]

That would be like flying a 747 from Dulles to Reagan. Not a wise financial decision.

 

[lsucet]

THEN, there is one thing that nobody has mentioned. OK, so you do want a BK and its long burn time. So what do you do when you have to leave for home and there is a load of wood with 8 hours left? They are great. Maybe the best. They dont fit every situation.

Sorry, don't make sence. Why to worry for 3 pieces of wood in there? Claim it in your taxes.

 

[bholler]

There is no differences, sorry. Just run the cat stove higher. You control how hard you want to run it better. My Englanders used to get hot and everyone knows they can run hot and I used to touch the back and sides where the shields are and I can keep my hands there. So is the BK. Same concept cause I have the ultra. I think the parlor will radiate more from the sides cause no shields. With shields the radiate more to the front and a convective way.

There is a difference. Without secondary combustion in the firebox the fire box will run cooler. Therefore lower temps on the glass and bottom of the stove body. Which means less heat transfer.

 

[bholler]

I am not saying blazekings are bad at all or that they couldnt do it. Just that it doesnt make sense to use one for that purpose to me.

 

[lsucet]

There is a difference. Without secondary combustion in the firebox the fire box will run cooler. Therefore lower temps on the glass and bottom of the stove body. Which means less heat transfer.

Wait to get v
Cold outside and you will see the ghost flames all the time if you run it ba little hard plus the cat going insane in there. Just wait.

 

[bholler]

Wait to get v
Cold outside and you will see the ghost flames all the time if you run it ba little hard plus the cat going insane in there. Just wait.

You guys forget just because i havnt run one in my house before doesnt mean i havnt been around them running.

 

[lsucet]

I am not saying blazekings are bad at all or that they couldnt do it. Just that it doesnt make sense to use one for that purpose to me.

I agree. You are right. No need to put all that money into it. No objection. But everything depends to, how you use the place.

 

[Rickb]

I think it would be cool to see an actual test with actual data with 2 3cuft stoves running full out to see what the results were. I agree the cat stove might be behind the tube stove but I think it would be less then some people would think.

That said unless you are going to be burning your stove more then 20-30 days a year why spend the extra money on a good cat stove? I mean I love my bk and would never replace it with anything other then a good cat stove after using it, if I bought/built a cabin I would buy a cheap nc30 or something like that because why spend the extra money on something I am not going to use a lot?

 

[lsucet]

I think many of us don't Know the ability cause of the kind of control we have over the burn rate, to the point of just set it up to where we know that will keep the house to the desired temperature and forget about it. And we marry that setting.

 

[begreen]

Isn't the BK's high end thermostatically capped? The non-cat is unrestricted. Not that I am recommending taking the stove into overfire territory.

 

[darktower007]

Maybe look into Buck stoves. There may be more dealers in your area.

Thanks for the advice.


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[Rickb]

That may be true...... Wide open the cat stove will not overfire if the stove is working correctly.

So I guess the better comparison would be 2 3cuft stoves with the cat stove running wide open and the tube stove running open but not over firing?

 

[RAD418]

Hey Darktower007, if you are near middle Tn there is a place called Hearth appliance sales. It's in Portland Tn. They warehouse and ship for blaze king and also sell their stoves.

 

[darktower007]

Soooooo... I’ve got one recommendation on Buck stove insert. Any others?


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[darktower007]

Hey Darktower007, if you are near middle Tn there is a place called Hearth appliance sales. It's in Portland Tn. They warehouse and ship for blaze king and also sell their stoves.

Sweet! I pass through there often when traveling for work.. I’ll look them up.


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