Corona Virus

[Seasoned Oak]

Those of you who think you’re going to be immune to this chaos need to watch the full length of the Rogan video that begreen posted above. This same chaos is coming your way, it‘s only a matter of time.

Well it didnt take long to get here , our local wall mart had a good run yesterday when people woke up to the schools all shutting down for 2 weeks. I was wondering why there was no urgency up until then ,i guess most people dont keep up on the news as well as most of us on hearth. Plus the TP fights on facebook(where many get their news) probably
jogged a few people to join the run on wal-mart.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

True, but keep in mind the mentions above of Philadelphia and London, two of the oldest sewer systems in the world, and each of which handle more sewage per day than any smaller borough does in three or four months!

We just had a brand new system installed a few yrs ago so big you can see it from space mandated by the Fed Govt. I would think philly is subject to the same law unless they opted for the easier route which is just keep paying the fines.

 

[RFarm]

Went off the grid in 2013 due to wanting to retire early (43). I just got sick of corporate America and rabid consumerism. Built my own house using timber frame and straw bales, put in a 4.5kwh PV system and heat with wood. Got 20 chickens and a year round garden. Taught myself to can, dehydrate, and salt foods. The last couple of years I started a business and kind of started slacking on my homesteading. Now back to it in force. I can see how these times feel strange to most Americans. It feels different for me I guess, feels like the early days of going off grid and realizing I am effectively poor and have to sustain myself. I hope everyone has what they need and is ready to take care of others.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Once we get to the point where those who have recovered are taking care of people (as they should be immune at that point)we should be over the hump. Some stories of people being reinfected but cant see how thats possible unless the virus has mutated.

 

[Medic21]

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I heard the same from one doctor, who prior to the interview was being touted as an expert of some kind in this field. But then I heard conflicting statements from two others, all within the same week. So those of us not in the industry, and apparently many who ARE in the industry, are left wondering. Was one doc apparently wrong, and the others right, or is this just an issue of timing

I think initially it was a “We have no real idea what we are dealing with” issue. We went from N95 masks to regular masks to masking pt and using your judgement. Being droplet precautions for most instances is much easier than airborne Transmission. With the ventilator, BVM, high flow oxygen there is a chance that the virus could be aerosolized so then it’s tim to take respiratory precautions.
The only benefit of double gloving or double gowning ever would be moving from pt to pt faster. I have occasionally double gloved on accident scenes to triage and prevent cross contamination between pts. An extra pair of gloves won’t help anything for me.

 

[begreen]

Virus screening at airports has suddenly created massive people jams because no one thought to increase personnel to handle the massive load of people suddenly returning from Europe. This is a danger of pronouncements without planning or thought about what is required to implement. Talk about incubators and crowds of over 250 people. Sheesh.

US moves nearer to shutdown amid coronavirus fears

CHICAGO (AP) — Officials across the country curtailed many elements of American life to fight the coronavirus outbreak on Sunday, with health officials recommending that groups of 50 or more don't get together and a government expert saying a 14-day national shutdown may be needed.

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Meanwhile, the World Health Organization put travel bans and hopes of warmer temps into perspective

WHO: Don't expect travel bans, 'Mother Nature' to beat virus

GENEVA (AP) — Countries may gain time in the short-term as they limit travel to fight the new coronavirus pandemic, but the World Health Organization thinks overall that “it doesn't help to restrict movement," a top adviser to the U.N. health agency's chief said Thursday.

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“Many people ask, ‘Will this go away with the winter season?’” he said, noting that the epidemiological approach calls for locating and tracking the virus, and getting infected people out of circulation..
“I would not be betting on Mother Nature here,” Aylward said. “I would be betting on case-finding. Isolation (of patients). Contact tracing. Testing. Testing. Testing.”

 

[SpaceBus]

Went off the grid in 2013 due to wanting to retire early (43). I just got sick of corporate America and rabid consumerism. Built my own house using timber frame and straw bales, put in a 4.5kwh PV system and heat with wood. Got 20 chickens and a year round garden. Taught myself to can, dehydrate, and salt foods. The last couple of years I started a business and kind of started slacking on my homesteading. Now back to it in force. I can see how these times feel strange to most Americans. It feels different for me I guess, feels like the early days of going off grid and realizing I am effectively poor and have to sustain myself. I hope everyone has what they need and is ready to take care of others.

We are working towards the same here, just hope the market survives so we can get all of our infrastructure built/purchased.

 

[begreen]

We are working towards the same here, just hope the market survives so we can get all of our infrastructure built/purchased.

It will. There will be lessons learned, and maybe not at current peaks, but there will be a market.

 

[Woody Stover]

put in a 4.5kwh PV system and heat with wood. Got 20 chickens and a year round garden. Taught myself to can, dehydrate, and salt foods.

Do you have a way to make toilet tissue? My wife went to the store yesterday, and there were empty sections in every aisle. No TP left, and we're down to two rolls. Luckily, they are substantial two-ply rolls. We have some nice, big Sycamore leaves in the woods, but they are getting a bit crusty now, since they've been lying there since last fall.

 

[Jan Pijpelink]

Do you have a way to make toilet tissue? My wife went to the store yesterday, and there were empty sections in every aisle. No TP left, and we're down to two rolls. Luckily, they are substantial two-ply rolls. We have some nice, big Sycamore leaves in the woods, but they are getting a bit crusty now, since they've been lying there since last fall.

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[Seasoned Oak]

Wife ordered some TP among other things online from Walmart and had to pick it up at the store yesterday. Got a lot stares on the way out from people wondering where she found it as the store shelves have been bare for 2 days. Shes lucky to have made it out of the store unscathed.

 

[SpaceBus]

We are definitely installing a bidet when we renovate our bathroom.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

On a positive note 98 to 99% of us will survive this. Just 10% of those tested so far in the US have tested positive, which means many who think and their doctors think they have the virus actually do not have it (yet).

 

[Ashful]

Wife ordered some TP among other things online from Walmart and had to pick it up at the store yesterday. Got a lot stares on the way out from people wondering where she found it as the store shelves have been bare for 2 days. Shes lucky to have made it out of the store unscathed.

I had another customer at Walmart offer me a bottle of hand sanitizer for $50 on Friday evening. I'm not kidding, although I think he was.

 

[Sawset]

I had another customer at Walmart offer me a bottle of hand sanitizer for $50 on Friday evening. I'm not kidding, although I think he was.

Did he flash you with it from under his coat, look a little sketchy, shifty eyes, what else did he have in there, 1roll 20dolla, ?

 

[peakbagger]

Did he flash you with it from under his coat, look a little sketchy, shifty eyes, what else did he have in there, 1roll 20dolla, ?

Unfortunately the worst of society is going to try to profit on this event. Hopefully the best will win out.

 

[Ashful]

Unfortunately the worst of society is going to try to profit on this event. Hopefully the best will win out.

I think he was alluding to the same. Again, he had a grin on his face when he said it, I'm pretty sure he was joking. Although the store was indeed out of the stuff, and I told him he might get someone to pay that price, just not me.

 

[Medic21]

On a positive note 98 to 99% of us will survive this. Just 10% of those tested so far in the US have tested positive, which means many who think and their doctors think they have the virus actually do not have it (yet).

Actually they very well could have it. The testing requirements include travel outside the country, in contact with someone who traveled outside the country, both with symptoms. If you have been in contact with a known positive person and show symptoms. Other than that you will not be tested.

The real survival rate will be no other medical issues, diagnosed or not, under 70 your gonna be fine. Over 70 there is about a 75% fatal rate with underlying medical problems. That drops to .01% under 70 with no problems. The real numbers won’t be known for years if ever. Too many people only have common cold symptoms, like I do tonight, and I transported a positive pt two days ago. As long as I don’t get a fever I don’t have to worry about a self quarantine either. I won’t be tested regardless. So if I have it I’ll end up in the number that was never added.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Over 70 there is about a 75% fatal rate with underlying medical problems. That drops to .01% under 70 with no problems. The real numbers won’t be known for years if ever.

The chart i saw had the over 80 population at 15% . And the over 70 at 8% . Does the underlying issues increase that to 75%

 

[Seasoned Oak]

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[milothecat]

I don't post much on this forum, I do lurk quite a bit. My thoughts are that all we hear about are death rates or number of cases in a day. Nobody has talked about total population infected. By my math the worst hit countries China and Italy , have a total of about .04% of their population infected. I think that all of the measures being taken are necessary to contain the virus and make numbers drop. And I also don't think that this is something that we should ignore and hope goes away. However I think that the media and social media are raising the level of panic to unnecessary levels. I also don't know where the US and Canadian authorities are coming up with a total infected population of 30%-70%. I suppose that if nothing was done it could hit these levels, but measures seem to be being taken. I hope that things don't get out of control in the next couple of weeks. I know that if 1500 people showed up at the two or three hospitals with ICU's in my area it would be a disaster. However I think that the actual chance of being infected and requiring hospitalization is rather low. I believe all of the numbers are way off because not enough tests are being done and there is an exponential more number of unidentified cases. Thats just my thoughts on this so you can take it for what it's worth.

 

[ABMax24]

Today the province of Alberta cancelled all K-12 and post secondary school. That's 3.5 months early. Classes will not resume until September, students will be given their final grades based on current marks and moved on to the next year. Teachers will teach what they can online, but end of year exams have been cancelled. The only exception is grade 12 students, who will still write their Diploma exams so they can apply to college and university for the fall. Post secondary students will be taught by online classes.

 

[Medic21]

The chart i saw had the over 80 population at 15% . And the over 70 at 8% . Does the underlying issues increase that to 75%

I was looking at the total a few days ago. This number changes almost daily.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

I had another customer at Walmart offer me a bottle of hand sanitizer for $50 on Friday evening. I'm not kidding, although I think he was.

My wife has cases of the stuff and bottles of medical alcohol ever since i know her. Always thought she was over cautious ,kind of a germophobe. Im just the opposite. She gets sick more than me though.

 

[begreen]

This is playing it fast and loose with the numbers. The reported numbers of infection are only those that have been tested. The actual infected rate could easily be a magnitude or more higher. The number infected was clamped down in Wuhan by draconian measures to halt community spread. In Italy, they have a similar issue (as does the US) with limited testing.
(broken link removed to https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200316_08/)

I sincerely hope that in retrospect the damages done by this virus are less than anticipated. But remember that the Spanish Flu morphed over the summer and came back in fall with horrible vengeance. Yes, the metrics are widely in error due to an abysmal lack of testing due to the administration's slavish insistence on only FDA/CDC approved testing. The actual numbers of this disease in the wild are magnitudes higher than delayed and partial testing indicate. This is relative to the same failures indicated in China and Italy.