Triaxle of logs

[JustWood]

Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot's of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.

As far as the other guy - I'd agree - I don't think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) "I've got to pay more... because my supplier raised prices" is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it's not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.

Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a premium in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.

 

[Harley]

Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot's of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.

As far as the other guy - I'd agree - I don't think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) "I've got to pay more... because my supplier raised prices" is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it's not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.

Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.

I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.

 

[JustWood]

Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot's of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.

As far as the other guy - I'd agree - I don't think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) "I've got to pay more... because my supplier raised prices" is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it's not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.

Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.

I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.

Unless it was prepaid for there was no legal contract binding the seller to that price. Just like HHO or propane.

 

[Harley]

Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot's of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.

As far as the other guy - I'd agree - I don't think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) "I've got to pay more... because my supplier raised prices" is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it's not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.

Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.

I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.

Unless it was prepaid for there was no legal contract binding the seller to that price. Just like HHO or propane.

You are right - there was probably nothing enforceable - the only thing he can really do is not buy from the guy. I was commenting on what an honest/reputable businessman "should" do, not necessarily what they are legally obligated to do (often times they are not the same).

 

[JustWood]

Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot's of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.

As far as the other guy - I'd agree - I don't think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) "I've got to pay more... because my supplier raised prices" is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it's not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.

Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.

I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.

Unless it was prepaid for there was no legal contract binding the seller to that price. Just like HHO or propane.

You are right - there was probably nothing enforceable - the only thing he can really do is not buy from the guy. I was commenting on what an honest/reputable businessman "should" do, not necessarily what they are legally obligated to do (often times they are not the same).

I guess I should go talk to the gas station down the street and tell them to sell me gas at the sign price of $3.29 from 8am this morning instead of the $3.33 price at 10 am because "it's the right thing to do".
At $115/cord CSD I would have had both my tri-axle dump trucks setting in front of HIS place within an hour with a check for as many cord as he had !!

 

[velvetfoot]

I can get cut and split wood for ~150/cord around here.

 

[Henz]

diesel fuel is outrageous..A logger friend of mine runs a medium sized operation. He said right now he is going through $7,000/week in fuel cost!

 

[JustWood]

diesel fuel is outrageous..A logger friend of mine runs a medium sized operation. He said right now he is going through $7,000/week in fuel cost!

It's pretty easy to go through $200-$350 worth of fuel/day in each piece of equipment or truck! 2 log trucks,2 dump trucks, 2 skidders, power unit on mill, 2 loaders, genset to run processors,pallet shop and work shop ... 10 large motors x $200 plus/day = Min. fuel expense $2000 PER DAY not week !! This isn't figuring in the gas for the job site truck or chainsaws. Then to listen to whiny wood customers groan about a fuel surcharge on their wood delivery. Total B.S. If fuel goes to $5/gal ($4.35 right now) my operation will be shut down, we are already at a snails pace due to lumber market conditions.

 

[iceman]

diesel fuel is outrageous..A logger friend of mine runs a medium sized operation. He said right now he is going through $7,000/week in fuel cost!

It's pretty easy to go through $200-$350 worth of fuel/day in each piece of equipment or truck! 2 log trucks,2 dump trucks, 2 skidders, power unit on mill, 2 loaders, genset to run processors,pallet shop and work shop ... 10 large motors x $200 plus/day = Min. fuel expense $2000 PER DAY not week !! This isn't figuring in the gas for the job site truck or chainsaws. Then to listen to whiny wood customers groan about a fuel surcharge on their wood delivery. Total B.S. If fuel goes to $5/gal ($4.35 right now) my operation will be shut down, we are already at a snails pace due to lumber market conditions.

well let me give you some more info...
i am not gonna buy from this guy because of exactly what was said.
i have been talking to him since late jan early feb.... he postponed a couple of times because the weather warmed up... but he would say sometime next week i call you to set up
I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM because i was feeling like he was blowing me off
he said back then 2 cd wasn't worth the trip it would be better if i got 4 the max his truck holds
i called and said 4 it is fast forward he calls me yesterday because someone backed out for a delivery on APRIL 8TH!!
so i am saying wow .....meanwhile i know that fuel cost have gone up but to tell me he is charging 50 for fuel cost .. but he will waive it for me??? but he has to get 150 and to call around because he is still cheap is bs.... he claims that its costing him 750 a truck load I SHOULD CONTRACT OUT TO HIM AS I CAN GET IT 300-600 depending on the quality...... i just talked to another guy who said 30 cd for log length!! which for a truck would about 240!
i feel since i have been trying to get it since feb when it was much cheaper he should have honored the price... doesn't mean he has to but he couldve and charged me 50 for fuel.... but... his company not mine... so i go elsewhere no big deal... if i gotta pay that price it will be to someone else.... i am sure he won't care... sad thing is had he of done the "right thing morally" i coulda hooked him up with my people so in the end its his loss as he will pay more buying the wood!

 

[Harley]

I guess I should go talk to the gas station down the street and tell them to sell me gas at the sign price of $3.29 from 8am this morning instead of the $3.33 price at 10 am because "it's the right thing to do".

Well - you could give it a try - I don't think it would work, but that's not even remotely close to what the situation was here. The "right thing to do" would be to honor a verbal agreement that they already had. All legal issues aside - If you went into the gas station at 8AM, and asked if you could buy fuel later in the day at that price, and they said "yes" - then I would say it would be the "right thing to do" to sell it to you at the price, regardless of the new adjusted price. By the same token - if the price went down by 10AM - I'd say the "right thing to do" would be to pay them at the higher price. I know that's not realistic, and I know the need to adjust prices based on costs (and fuel is a big one). From my standpoint, for what its worth, if an agreement was made, both parties should follow through regardless of any other changes in costs, because that really is the "right thing to do"

 

[JustWood]

I guess I should go talk to the gas station down the street and tell them to sell me gas at the sign price of $3.29 from 8am this morning instead of the $3.33 price at 10 am because "it's the right thing to do".

Well - you could give it a try - I don't think it would work, but that's not even remotely close to what the situation was here. The "right thing to do" would be to honor a verbal agreement that they already had. All legal issues aside - If you went into the gas station at 8AM, and asked if you could buy fuel later in the day at that price, and they said "yes" - then I would say it would be the "right thing to do" to sell it to you at the price, regardless of the new adjusted price. By the same token - if the price went down by 10AM - I'd say the "right thing to do" would be to pay them at the higher price. I know that's not realistic, and I know the need to adjust prices based on costs (and fuel is a big one). From my standpoint, for what its worth, if an agreement was made, both parties should follow through regardless of any other changes in costs, because that really is the "right thing to do"

Money talks B.S walks. Something is fishy about this whole story. $750/tri-axle load divides out to $94/cord you honestly expect this guy to CSD for $21/cord. Gas for saw and delivery truck alone is more than that. Ices $300-$600 for a load is more than likely from an arborist and is gonna be some crazy mix of knarly crooked stuff that is not gonna add up to 8 cord like a nice logger load will. $115/cord CSD is a screamin deal, if it was me buyin I would have gone to the guys house and paid him up front and had him follow me home with the load. I'm in the logging/mill business and $750 is about the average goin rate for a tri-axle (not tandem or tractor trailer) load most anywhere in the U.S. At $750 no one is makin a dime, it's a break even affair. Nobody is getting rich in the wood biz. Bottom line is if he wanted the wood CSD at $115/cd he should have taken delivery then, not let it drag out for 3 months. Surely a guy that processes nearly 2000 cord a year could have fit his 4 cord order in quickly! Last I knew Sears didn't allow layaways without some kind of money down!

 

[biggins08]

So much for burning wood lessening our dependence on oil Oil is messing everything up Arrrgggghhhh!

 

[iceman]

I guess I should go talk to the gas station down the street and tell them to sell me gas at the sign price of $3.29 from 8am this morning instead of the $3.33 price at 10 am because "it's the right thing to do".

Well - you could give it a try - I don't think it would work, but that's not even remotely close to what the situation was here. The "right thing to do" would be to honor a verbal agreement that they already had. All legal issues aside - If you went into the gas station at 8AM, and asked if you could buy fuel later in the day at that price, and they said "yes" - then I would say it would be the "right thing to do" to sell it to you at the price, regardless of the new adjusted price. By the same token - if the price went down by 10AM - I'd say the "right thing to do" would be to pay them at the higher price. I know that's not realistic, and I know the need to adjust prices based on costs (and fuel is a big one). From my standpoint, for what its worth, if an agreement was made, both parties should follow through regardless of any other changes in costs, because that really is the "right thing to do"

Money talks B.S walks. Something is fishy about this whole story. $750/tri-axle load divides out to $94/cord you honestly expect this guy to CSD for $21/cord. Gas for saw and delivery truck alone is more than that. Ices $300-$600 for a load is more than likely from an arborist and is gonna be some crazy mix of knarly crooked stuff that is not gonna add up to 8 cord like a nice logger load will. $115/cord CSD is a screamin deal, if it was me buyin I would have gone to the guys house and paid him up front and had him follow me home with the load. I'm in the logging/mill business and $750 is about the average goin rate for a tri-axle (not tandem or tractor trailer) load most anywhere in the U.S. At $750 no one is makin a dime, it's a break even affair. Nobody is getting rich in the wood biz. Bottom line is if he wanted the wood CSD at $115/cd he should have taken delivery then, not let it drag out for 3 months. Surely a guy that processes nearly 2000 cord a year could have fit his 4 cord order in quickly! Last I knew Sears didn't allow layaways without some kind of money down!

I am not gonna argue as you are only over there looking in.... as i said before.... He WAS THE ONE POSTPONING.... if i had a truck believe me i woulda been over there!
our prices are not the same as yours... he himself said it went from 350 to 600 to 750 a truck load! so he is passing the price on... i wanted 4cds to see what his stuff was like then i woulda got more... yes the price has gone up i know and he explained ... but he must have realized his price was very low when everyone else is 140-160 so now he is in the middle.. i don't know the trucks i can only tell you what they tell me .... my FRIEND gave me price of 3-600 for 7-8 cd depending on quality ... either wood ready to go to the processed 8-18 in diameter or i could get stuff from 8-36 in diameter .... another person just quoted me 30 a cd as they are only a couple of miles away!! but like i said i cannot have the truck come over now... i offered the guy 125 a cd to make up for for gas but he says 150. he just didn't want to travel the distance .. he shouldve said it from the beginning!

there was another guy at 100 a cord when i called him he said flat out you live to far i can't charge you that price ....
i know you are sticking up for your fellow logger but like you said money talks if he wanted it he woulda been here 2 months ago
he coulda told me then it woulda been an extra 50 for fuel i woulda gladly payed

if you were calling me for a special price and i kept saying yeah i got you down i'll be there in a couple of days.. tor next week would you still buy 2 months later when i go up almost 200 and then tell you i'll take 50 off when evryone else has the same price????
i talked to someone else coming a little bit further and because of the distance its 140 cd!! still cheaper than him

PS my FRIEND works for a tree company that is nationwide so its not some kid bringing wood
and he is the one that told me a truck that big would destroy my yard

 

[iceman]

the other guy called today and said due to rising prices he could not do 30 a cord but can do 50 for a truck load which he said would be 8 cd

 

[Henz]

$30/cord??? That is way low no matter where you are

 

[JustWood]

the other guy called today and said due to rising prices he could not do 30 a cord but can do 50 for a truck load which he said would be 8 cd

$400 wouldn't even cover production costs for a tri-axle load from a logger. It would have to be from an arborist who is making money on both ends. Eventually arborists will feel the demand for wood and raise their prices even further.

 

[Henz]

exactly.

 

[iceman]

the other guy called today and said due to rising prices he could not do 30 a cord but can do 50 for a truck load which he said would be 8 cd

$400 wouldn't even cover production costs for a tri-axle load from a logger. It would have to be from an arborist who is making money on both ends. Eventually arborists will feel the demand for wood and raise their prices even further.

ok ok whatever
as i said before ... these prices are from tree guys... who sell them to mills, and guys who sell firewood and of course homeowners!
the point i am making is the prices i get are real, and the wood is decent..i cannot say it won't have a knot in it... however my FRIEND tells me if i get the high quality - ready to be proccessed stuf there won't be
BUT i am not a logger you definitely know more than me you are in the business iam not
however you are in a different area so maybe that is why the prices are diff
you say tri-axle i say truck with 8cd we could be talking about diff sixe trucks...i don't know
but one thing i do know is the original person who was supposed to sell me wood said his price jumped 300-400bucks in a matter of weeks to 750 which means a month or two ago the "logging company " he was using was 450 and based upon what you have said... that still would have been to cheap

 

[Henz]

Here she is

 

[Henz]

And here was my previous Rainier that just didnt quite have the burn time that I wanted

 

[iceman]

Here she is

she looks lonely .... you should fire her up!

 

[Henz]

Oh yeah, they both were! She doesnt look as nice and shiny new anymore!

 

[iceman]

Oh yeah, they both were! She doesnt look as nice and shiny new anymore!

i fel bad for who ever sits in that chair next to the stove...is that like being put in the corner?? or for a timeout???

 

[raybonz]

And here was my previous Rainier that just didnt quite have the burn time that I wanted

I like the look of your house! Wondering how close your stove is to the wood wall though... Seems very close to something that would burn easily..

Ray

 

[Henz]

hey thanks, so do I in that pic, doesnt look that great in person! haha. That is one of the reasons why we went with the Avalon, the clearances seem to be much less than others, and believe it or not, all of the clearances were met and then some. I thought at first we were gonna have to do something with the walls etc but nope. I ahve felt the walls periodically when I have the hottest fire going and they have never been only slightly warm. I can literally place my hand on the back of the stove without having to move it