New stove advise

[trailrnr]

Hello,

This is my 2nd post; 1st was nine years ago when I purchased stove.

So I installed Jotul F3CB in my house (upper Michigan ) in December of 2015. My place is a Cleary post frame building 30 x 48 ( including 6 x 30 porch). Living and garage area 30 x 42 divided equally.
Basically I’m heating 600 sq ft. R 19 in the walls and about R 50 in the attic.

I’ve lived up here full time now for 3 years and thinking of upgrading to a bit larger stove.

Looking at Lopi evergreen (non cat), PE super 27 and just recently a Quadafire 3100.

Quadafire sales guy says 3100 to big for my place.

Any opinions and/or advise appreciated!
TIA

Joe

Ps- I also have propane vented wall furnace and installed some electric baseboard heaters last year. Although they are primarily used to keep place warm when I’m out of town.

 

[begreen]

A 1.5 cu ft stove would work. That could be something like the PE Vista, or consider the Drolet Deco Nano (Osburn 950).

 

[Todd]

Take a look at Jotul F35 or Woodstock Keystone/Palladian.

 

[begreen]

Yes, to the Jotul F35. I thought of mentioning Woodstock stoves, but the request appears to be for non-cats. Otherwise the Fireview could also work.

 

[trailrnr]

thank you all for your replies!

Just so I’m clear you guys feel I’d be over doing it with a super 27 or Lopi evergreen ?

Biggest complaint with F3CB is short burn times and small firebox 1.17 I think.

 

[Wisco Shepherd]

I have a similar build and insulation and love my Kuma Aspen LE not too big not too small.

 

[Todd]

thank you all for your replies!

Just so I’m clear you guys feel I’d be over doing it with a super 27 or Lopi evergreen ?

Biggest complaint with F3CB is short burn times and small firebox 1.17 I think.

I think somewhere around 1.5-2.0 firebox size should work well for you. You don’t have to use the full firebox every time you load the stove. My Jotul F45 is a bit oversized for my small cabin at 2.37 cu ft and I have no problem burning half loads if needed.

 

[begreen]

thank you all for your replies!

Just so I’m clear you guys feel I’d be over doing it with a super 27 or Lopi evergreen ?

Biggest complaint with F3CB is short burn times and small firebox 1.17 I think.

The Super 27 is a very flexible burner. It can cruise on just four splits for a lower heat fire. It is more comparable to the Lopi Endeavor. The next size down there is the Lopi Answer.

 

[trailrnr]

Nice -how many square ft are you heating?

One other question; did you install in floor heating? I did not kinda wish I had that concrete is cold😯

 

[trailrnr]

I was close to buying a PE super 27 last winter and then I read some of the posts here where guys were having trouble with temps running away some on the 2020 (later) models. I like the north/south loading feature.

Thanks again for all the input.

 

[trailrnr]

Also considered the Lopi evergreen as well. At the time last winter they had a model leftover that qualified for the tax credit . It was non cat unit as well. They were really firm on the price though. I think it was 3600 or there about.

 

[Wisco Shepherd]

Nice -how many square ft are you heating?

One other question; did you install in floor heating? I did not kinda wish I had that concrete is cold😯

Heating under 1000 square feet probably closer to 6-800 when I shut bedroom and kennel room doors. We do have radiant heat but don't use it we built on an insulated poured foundation so the floors are easy to keep warm with the stove.

 

[begreen]

Nice -how many square ft are you heating?

One other question; did you install in floor heating? I did not kinda wish I had that concrete is cold😯

Insulating the floor can make a huge difference. I couldn't heat my shop well even when it was only 40 outside. I put down some of that interlocking foam tile and now it's easy to heat.

 

[trailrnr]

I was supposed to get 2” foam under my concrete; I realized they didn’t put it in after I had walls built. Cleary blamed it on the concrete sub contractor. They refunded cost of insulation and poured a 10 x 30 slab to appease me. I was not happy.

 

[marty319]

I have a similar build and insulation and love my Kuma Aspen LE not too big not too small.

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Nice place

 

[trailrnr]

Heating under 1000 square feet probably closer to 6-800 when I shut bedroom and kennel room doors. We do have radiant heat but don't use it we built on an insulated poured foundation so the floors are easy to keep warm with the stove.

A 1.5 cu ft stove would work. That could be something like the PE Vista, or consider the Drolet Deco Nano (Osburn 950).

Hello again I still have not replaced the F3CB.

I looked a T 4 today and the guy quoted me 4700 plus tax. I was looking in firebox and found old tag which said 2900 🤔. I showed sales guy and he checked with office and said they would honor that price plus tax.

Must have been in the floor for several years. At any rate my question is the T4 considered a easy breather like it’s big brothers?

They had one Super 27 (floor model) and he quoted 3900 plus tax which seemed about 1000 on the high side.

I see the firebox is only a little bigger than the F3CB (1.17 vs 1.4). Will burn times be improved over the F3CB?

I also found a floor model Lopi Evergreen at a different store (non cat) which they would sell for 3500 including tax.

Opinions? thanks in advance 👍 I’m heating a well insulated post frame building with concrete floor. About 600 SQ with main room only about 400. I couple small bedrooms right off to one side.

 

[begreen]

The T4 is definitely larger, but not huge. This is a small, well-insulated space. It's not going to need a ton of heat. The Jotul F35 is also ok. The PE Super or the Evergreen will be loafing a lot of the time unless a window is open.

 

[trailrnr]

The T4 is definitely larger, but not huge. This is a small, well-insulated space. It's not going to need a ton of heat. The Jotul F35 is also ok. The PE Super or the Evergreen will be loafing a lot of the time unless a window is open.

Thanks well put!

Then I have ask myself if burn time will be better over the F3CB? My guess just a little bit. Maybe not worth it replace stove.

For comparison I’ve taken note of Quad a fire stove at local XC ski area lodge. A bigger stove for sure but it seems they throw a couple logs in there and they burn for hours and hours.

 

[begreen]

Yes, I have a large PE with a firebox twice the size of the T4. It will burn 10-12 hrs on softwood easily if not being pushed hard. Still, I wouldn't put it in a 600 sq ft , well-insulated room. A small cat stove like the new Jotul F602v3 may work out for this space, but the stove is too new to reccomend. It's service and maintenance history is unknown at this point.

 

[trailrnr]

Maybe I just stick with the F3CB. It does the job well just uses a lot of wood. Although the T4 (floor model) for 2900 seems like a good deal given that he’s asking another 2k for one in a crate!

Maybe I consider a smaller Quada fire as well.

Thanks for all your input/advise Begreen👍

PS- just got home to the UP and have the ol F3 stoked up👌