round about way of saying natural mostly. if history tells us anything it's that climate is not stable in either direction, within a range yes in one direction no. most temp stuff based on satellite since '79 and local like US hottest ever 2012 . alot of answers next few years when amo catches up with pdo.more like 1950-1980 than 1920 1950. good art by dr roy spencer "our chaotic climate system"
Thank the Deity we are in global warming!
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We're talking rapid rise here, not one that lasts millennia. Long term rises allow civilization to adapt to them. Rapid rise can be catastrophic to coastal towns and cities. (Guess where the major population centers are). This rapid rise is going to be very costly. You can't move southern FL's population overnight.
sorry i have not read every post on this thread but first i've seen on on rapid rise. if that is the topic where is it going to come from,79-97 temp up alot, 98- 2012 temp flat.don't hear much about glaciers anymore? surface temp expansion? greenland 100,200,xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 1000 years, antartic ice growing! tell us where rapid rise will occur,happen or when. backbay ,boston , man made land couple feet above high tide land, battery, new york, man made land couple feet above sea level , no, la below well enough
Actually the west Antarctic temp average is rising much faster than we thought. We are still learning the dynamics of this precious blue marble spaceship.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/24/s...ing-faster-than-thought-study-finds.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/24/s...ing-faster-than-thought-study-finds.html?_r=0
oh mass state house on beacon hill cant give you elevation but hill give you a hint. it isn't on the beach!
sorry but please read spancer and add 1+1 and you just answered your dynamic question, time for you to rebutt in kind , for you what is the area in west ant. compareed to the whole of our smallest cont.
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The jibberish does not help you make a point. Maybe if you slow down and form complete sentences. I'm all for hearing both sides of this but not in that language.
west ant=west antarctica smallest cont.=smallest continent.sorry reading too much twitter stuff i guess.
It's official, last summer was the hottest on record in the US and not by a small amount. Australia is now experiencing record heat in their summer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/science/earth/2012-was-hottest-year-ever-in-us.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...uring-a-heatwave/story-e6frf7kf-1226550602740
They actually had to extend the heat range of their charts to accommodate the record breaking temps in the center of the country that pushed 50
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So far it is still dry in the middle of the US. Hope we have a wet spring in the midwest or shipping is in trouble.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...etch-of-mississippi-river-ghost-town/1818997/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/science/earth/2012-was-hottest-year-ever-in-us.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...uring-a-heatwave/story-e6frf7kf-1226550602740
They actually had to extend the heat range of their charts to accommodate the record breaking temps in the center of the country that pushed 50
(122)So far it is still dry in the middle of the US. Hope we have a wet spring in the midwest or shipping is in trouble.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...etch-of-mississippi-river-ghost-town/1818997/
Climate cooling here in Alaska.
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/20...wn-despite-a-global-trend-of-warming-climate/
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/20...wn-despite-a-global-trend-of-warming-climate/
given but remember it's called "global climate change" the press loves heat never seems to talk abouth the cold. record low arctic ice never mentions record anarctic ice.u.s. is what 3 to 5% land globally austrailia about the same,the local aspect is not global.points to ponder ,web site "whats up with that" has in interesting article on noaa climate data breifly it states july '36 warmer than july '12, check out both sides. as dr. spencer points out until someone comes up with the amount of natural warming that is adding to the currently stalled global warming, the models do not have all the answers.lastly the weekend climate this weekend will be talked up as it warms to 60 in dc and maybe even further north but on the other side of the world china and siberia are at record cold! stoves in the u.s. get a workout jan 15th and beyond.It's official, last summer was the hottest on record in the US and not by a small amount. Australia is now experiencing record heat in their summer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/science/earth/2012-was-hottest-year-ever-in-us.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...uring-a-heatwave/story-e6frf7kf-1226550602740
They actually had to extend the heat range of their charts to accommodate the record breaking temps in the center of the country that pushed 50
So far it is still dry in the middle of the US. Hope we have a wet spring in the midwest or shipping is in trouble.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...etch-of-mississippi-river-ghost-town/1818997/
Record breaking temps in Australia. So much so they had to revise their contour map scale.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/09/us-australia-wildfires-maps-idUSBRE90806V20130109
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/09/us-australia-wildfires-maps-idUSBRE90806V20130109
ok,let's stay with local stories. from yahoo's "china's extreme cold snaps records" a quote from the article"brital cold is also shattering records acress russia. this winter is the coldest on record since 1938,and temperatures plunged as low as -58f (-50c)in some areas." gee 1938 was also in a warm period globally.
The overall warming effect could also eventually redirect or even break the gulf stream- resulting in the UK suffering record cold winters while we bake in the lower 48.
Your point?
There cant be global warming its cold here today, give me a break, odds are we are causing a problem with all the pollutants we are injecting into the air or do you want to argue about that also. Time will tell and when we all know the truth it will be too late and life will change forever, did you hear about the southern butterflys they are finding up north in large numbers.
if the thermohaline circulation breaks we're all in the freezer, point is global climate change is just that ,not how hot or cold it is at any one place at one time. since the satellite era began in 1979 global temps rose rapidly to '98 the last 15 have been globally flat, no hockey stick yet where it was predicted.question sticks in my mind how much is manmade and how much is natural . my guess mostly natural
long run-on sentences without capitalization or paragraph breaks are really hard to read. typos make it evon wirs. spenser has always been tilting against the wind, it's good to have skeptics. but at times this guy seems to be a bit off the deep end. his creationist intelligent design theories are pretty far out there. "in the book the evolution crisis, spencer wrote, "i finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world. [...]"
The "no temp increase in the last 12 years" claim has been debunked many times - on this site and elsewhere. Its all cherry picking the years you compare. The overall trends are obvious if you dont have an agenda.
religion left out here, spencer believes the globe is warming, but not in co2 as the cause.
the cherry pick is also in citing locally versus globally. global temperautre for 2012 .161c above the 1979-2012 norm not exactly hockey stick stuff. agenda yes i'm afraid of ed markey's cap and trade tax on carbon in the name of climate change, add the UN to it, global tax. sorry i've strayed.
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