So far mine has been running well with no known issues (only 3 months). Also not much to go wrong at 1 year old.
Make sure it has the bypass option... or else you will only be able to install outdoors.
OWB versus new indoor furnace
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So far mine has been running well with no known issues (only 3 months). Also not much to go wrong at 1 year old.
Make sure it has the bypass option... or else you will only be able to install outdoors.
Medic21
Minister of Fire
The savings in wood alone make the G100 a much better stove. Is it this years model or last years?
The difference between this and the 4400 you referenced is also a no brainer. I installed a Crown Royal 7300 MP. I don’t regret not going with a gasser because I burn coal in it at times and that was the point. I wouldn’t consider anything other than a gasser for a OWB if I was only burning wood.
The difference between these and the CB or Woodmaster branded CB is also night and day.
Find a local dealer to help you with the warranty transfer, perhaps the dealer that originally sold the stove.
As far as pipe reading through this. You can do it once or redo it right. That is really how it works. The 1” pipe is pretty cheap compared to the 1 1/4” Thermopex I used. Around $12 for any of it. Like I said do it once.
Just always remember one thing. The G100 will operate better with wood seasoned 2 years and the 4000 will run ok with a green tree cut and thrown in. 3000 square feet well insulated and you have to commit to cutting 5-6 cords each year to stay ahead.
Medic21
Minister of Fire
Let me clarify the previous statement. The G100, in my opinion, is a much simpler design with controls. Less to go bad.
Medic21
Minister of Fire
Don’t even think about it. That’s about a $1500 less than when the G100 was new less than a year ago.
The new G series meet 2020 EPA standards. The older ones like the 100 did not. Other than that it’s a bullet proof and proven stove.
Yep I agree with @Medic21 on this one. $1500 is nothing off a used -pre 2020 model. I bet they were blowing them out the door new for that price last year once the new g4000 came out.
I paid equivalent to $3900USD for my g100 used 1 year old (at the start of this heating season). So for in other words I wouldn't pay over 4k for it now... remember we are also half way through winter pretty much.
A new G100 for $7,000? I might be misunderstanding you. If it's got the smoke bypass option it would have sold for $8,000 - $8,500 new. They did have some large rebates in spring of 2020 when the new regs came in, so it could have originally been sold for around $7000.
Medic21
Minister of Fire
Medic21
Minister of Fire
That is actually a killer price on a used one here. I could get at least 6k out of my 2 y/o conventional still.
I think I'll see if he'll entertain a $5k offer. My house is only 1,800 sq ft so I'm sure the G100 will be plenty capable. The $4k savings compared to a new G4000 will be extremely helpful. Unless you folks feel differently, and have adamant negative opinions of the G100, but I'm not getting that vibe.
Medic21
Minister of Fire
I appreciate your response. The G4000 seems like a particularly nice unit, but the cost savings of this G100 are too significant to ignore. Are you able to confirm that the warranty is easily transferable?
If the seller kept up with the yearly water samples it should be fine from what I was told... maybe EYoder can confirm?
UPDATE: Had a local dealer stop by today who not only sells Polar & Crown Royal furnaces, but designed his own stove which he obviously tries to sell first.
It's a closed/pressurized/non-gasser OWB which he designed himself and had a local manufacturer produce. My biggest gripe is that there's only 4 or 5 of them installed so far and not much of a track record to depend on. The dealer was nice enough, but refused to tell me who the actual manufacturer of the furnace is (odd). Price was $10,900 which is more than other comparable stoves. He swears that the closed/pressurized system will make it last for 30-40 years though.
I can't find anything online about the series, so I'll try to upload the literature I have on it.
Thoughts? The G100 I was eyeballing got sold from underneath me, so I'm leaning heavily toward the G4000 but thought the idea of a closed system OWB was an interesting talking point.
It's a closed/pressurized/non-gasser OWB which he designed himself and had a local manufacturer produce. My biggest gripe is that there's only 4 or 5 of them installed so far and not much of a track record to depend on. The dealer was nice enough, but refused to tell me who the actual manufacturer of the furnace is (odd). Price was $10,900 which is more than other comparable stoves. He swears that the closed/pressurized system will make it last for 30-40 years though.
I can't find anything online about the series, so I'll try to upload the literature I have on it.
Thoughts? The G100 I was eyeballing got sold from underneath me, so I'm leaning heavily toward the G4000 but thought the idea of a closed system OWB was an interesting talking point.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
No, "Magnum Coal Boilers" is the official brand name. He's a local PA guy who designed it, and some unknown PA steel manufacturer builds it.
Do any of the EPA outdoor gassers qualify for the new 26% tax credit? The Magnum sure wont.
Personally, I would not spend 10,900 on an unproven new model. Especially a non gasser.
There is quite a few that will qualify- you can check them out here: Woodstove Database | Burnwise | US EPA
Medic21
Minister of Fire
Pressurized?? How much water does it hold? The only OWB pressurized system I have ever seen way the old clean fire from Woodmaster and it was a disaster.
You will require oxygen barrier pipe and there is more involved in pressurized systems. Not to mention on I don’t like the thought of a large bomb.
You will require oxygen barrier pipe and there is more involved in pressurized systems. Not to mention on I don’t like the thought of a large bomb.
A homemade boiler for $10,900 sounds like a lot of money for a proverbial "pig in a poke".
I've seen many small brands come and go over the years, small design flaws often knock them out.
This one may be fine tho. I dunno.
I've seen many small brands come and go over the years, small design flaws often knock them out.
This one may be fine tho. I dunno.
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