New 1000 HP corvette too powerful for the frame.

[SpaceBus]

I won't own another black vehicle, they are hl to keep clean.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

I won't own another black vehicle, they are hl to keep clean.

I guess if its your daily driver ,its a bad choice. My first choice is burgundy. If your just driveing it on nice days in the warmer months im sure it will stay cleaner ,the rest of the time in a garage or under a car cover.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

• I found this chart interesting. Its the % of brands reaching 200k miles. Could be skewed by a lot of factors though. Certain demographics may be more apt to drive conservatively thus higher totals. Only one i ever had with over 200k( 250k) was an 89 silverado. Still ran good when i sold it. Cant say that for my tacoma, about useless at 76k. I guess this means the% that do not reach 200k is in the high 90s.
  
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• Toyota – 1.7 percent
• Honda – 1.5 percent
• GMC – 1.4 percent
• Chevrolet – 1.2 percent
• Ram – 1.1 percent
• Ford – 1.0 percent

 

[Ashful]

• I found this chart interesting. Its the % of brands reaching 200k miles. Could be skewed by a lot of factors though. Certain demographics may be more apt to drive conservatively thus higher totals. Only one i ever had with over 200k( 250k) was an 89 silverado. Still ran good when i sold it. Cant say that for my tacoma, about useless at 76k. I guess this means the% that do not reach 200k is in the high 90s.
  
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• Toyota – 1.7 percent
• Honda – 1.5 percent
• GMC – 1.4 percent
• Chevrolet – 1.2 percent
• Ram – 1.1 percent
• Ford – 1.0 percent

Interesting. This probably represents a very large fraction of vehicle sales (but no Nissan?). However, it’s very narrow demographically, without the inclusion of budget (Kia, Hyundai, or historically... Saturn) or high end (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Cadillac, Jaguar, Rolls).

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Interesting. This probably represents a very large fraction of vehicle sales (but no Nissan?). However, it’s very narrow demographically, without the inclusion of budget (Kia, Hyundai, or historically... Saturn) or high end (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Cadillac, Jaguar, Rolls).

The original article did mention there were no european cars on the list. Found a few other lists but they are all different. One list had the ford F250 superduty truck as No 1 .

 

[bholler]

• I found this chart interesting. Its the % of brands reaching 200k miles. Could be skewed by a lot of factors though. Certain demographics may be more apt to drive conservatively thus higher totals. Only one i ever had with over 200k( 250k) was an 89 silverado. Still ran good when i sold it. Cant say that for my tacoma, about useless at 76k. I guess this means the% that do not reach 200k is in the high 90s.
  
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• Toyota – 1.7 percent
• Honda – 1.5 percent
• GMC – 1.4 percent
• Chevrolet – 1.2 percent
• Ram – 1.1 percent
• Ford – 1.0 percent

I have taken most of my daily driver vehicles past 200000. The only one that didn't make it was my trailblazer. Most of our work vehicles go past 200 also. One dodge van didn't and our current Chevy 2500 won't make it anywhere near that due to frame rust. I have never even bought a Toyota that was under 200000 and they all ran great.

 

[EatenByLimestone]

• I found this chart interesting. Its the % of brands reaching 200k miles. Could be skewed by a lot of factors though. Certain demographics may be more apt to drive conservatively thus higher totals. Only one i ever had with over 200k( 250k) was an 89 silverado. Still ran good when i sold it. Cant say that for my tacoma, about useless at 76k. I guess this means the% that do not reach 200k is in the high 90s.
  
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• Toyota – 1.7 percent
• Honda – 1.5 percent
• GMC – 1.4 percent
• Chevrolet – 1.2 percent
• Ram – 1.1 percent
• Ford – 1.0 percent

Maybe those are original owners driving to 200k?

I find it hard to believe most vehicles don't reach 200 now. Maybe they're taking into account 70s and 80s vehicles? I think every vehicle I have ever had has made it to 200k. I only had 1 vehicle made prior to 1990 though (82).

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Lot of variables here,you can keep just about any vehicle going indefinitely ,one exception would be extreme frame rust. My Tacoma suffered from that and a half dozen less severe problems. Seems every study like this has different outcomes.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

I have taken most of my daily driver vehicles past 200000. t.

Yea i thought that % is very low unless they are talking about the original owner which i can understand as most people change out every few years but theres also the group that keeps a dependable vehicle for decades. Im a member of that group.

 

[bholler]

Yea i thought that % is very low unless they are talking about the original owner which i can understand as most people change out every few years but theres also the group that keeps a dependable vehicle for decades. Im a member of that group.

Actually my personal vehicles are pretty low meilage right now the highest being 120000. But they are all 29 yrs old or older. We keep a nice new reliable car for my wife though. Hers usually gets traded when it hits 100000 to 120000. This one might go higher because she is driving far to work now.

Wow we are a long way from 1000 hp corvettes

 

[Ashful]

Wow we are a long way from 1000 hp corvettes

How many 1000 hp vehicles make it to 200,000 miles? I suspect zero.

 

[bholler]

How many 1000 hp vehicles make it to 200,000 miles? I suspect zero.

Yeah probably not lol.

 

[peakbagger]

I read recently that some of the earlier models of the McLaren supercars are coming on the market at a steep discount from original cost. What is pulling then down is combination that they aren't so "super" anymore and they have to be maintained by the one and only service tech in the united states or ship it back to the factory. When the Porsche Boxter's first came out more than few first time buyers were upset to discover that the vast majority of the routine maintenance had to start by removing the engine from under the car.

I have no doubt that many of the major supercars that are computer dependent will just get to the point where no one has the software to diagnose them. I have heard that is starting to happen with run of the mill cars where the cars are still mechanically functional they just will not run due to software issues. I have 97 GM Sonoma pickup sitting on the front lawn that has not been able to pass an emissions test for a year. Runs fine but the evaporator emission control system sends a code. Low mileage and in reasonable shape. I plan to go at it at some point when it warms up but there is a distinct probability that II will put it back together with a simple tank vent and sell it in Maine where they don't do on mandatory emissions inspections to keep the vehicle on the road. One of the reasons I have my Unimogs is that they are strictly electrical, no computer components to worry about.

 

[Ashful]

I read recently that some of the earlier models of the McLaren supercars are coming on the market at a steep discount from original cost. What is pulling then down is combination that they aren't so "super" anymore

This has always been a problem with super cars, and now hyper cars. No one with super car money wants a dated 1990 Ferrari, too young to have any nostalgic appeal, too hold to run with the state of the art today.

When the Porsche Boxter's first came out more than few first time buyers were upset to discover that the vast majority of the routine maintenance had to start by removing the engine from under the car.

No car guy would be caught dead in a Porsche boxter.

 

[Ashful]

Hey, any reports of wheel lift on that 1000 hp vette? The rear tires are farther back on that body than most cars that can achieve wheel lift, so traction is going to be more limited at the rear, but it’s certainly got the torque to lift that frame off the ground.

 

[SpaceBus]

This has always been a problem with super cars, and now hyper cars. No one with super car money wants a dated 1990 Ferrari, too young to have any nostalgic appeal, too hold to run with the state of the art today.


No car guy would be caught dead in a Porsche boxter.

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What car guys do you know? Boxtsers are awesome cars. What's not to like about a six cylinder mid engine roadster?!

 

[bholler]

I read recently that some of the earlier models of the McLaren supercars are coming on the market at a steep discount from original cost. What is pulling then down is combination that they aren't so "super" anymore and they have to be maintained by the one and only service tech in the united states or ship it back to the factory. When the Porsche Boxter's first came out more than few first time buyers were upset to discover that the vast majority of the routine maintenance had to start by removing the engine from under the car.

I have no doubt that many of the major supercars that are computer dependent will just get to the point where no one has the software to diagnose them. I have heard that is starting to happen with run of the mill cars where the cars are still mechanically functional they just will not run due to software issues. I have 97 GM Sonoma pickup sitting on the front lawn that has not been able to pass an emissions test for a year. Runs fine but the evaporator emission control system sends a code. Low mileage and in reasonable shape. I plan to go at it at some point when it warms up but there is a distinct probability that II will put it back together with a simple tank vent and sell it in Maine where they don't do on mandatory emissions inspections to keep the vehicle on the road. One of the reasons I have my Unimogs is that they are strictly electrical, no computer components to worry about.

I don't know I really like the advantages of computer controlled fuel injection. Most of my older stuff either had it originally or I added it. And the best stuff is generally easier to work on in many ways. I just plug into it and the computer tells me what I need to do. It takes some of the fun out of it but it also means you aren't guessing about which part to change.

 

[peakbagger]

Big thread drift but what the heck Computer controlled injection as well as computer controlled other systems are great. The big "but" is software and interface equipment to get at the computer. US law forces access to some limited data in a standardized format for emissions but there is no requirement to give access to lot of the other systems. Most cars these days have several local area networks pushing proprietary digital data around, if you don't have the right interface and software" you are screwed. Even the small independent garages don't have the stuff. My brother needed his horn to work for an inspection sticker. He had to pay the Subaru dealer a $250 diagnostic fee to plug the car into a Subaru specific LAN. Turned out it was a dirty slip ring on the steering column. $600 later he had working horn.

By the way typical car insurance does not cover having to total a car because the electronics don't work unless it can be connected to an actual external event, like and accident or a flood. You will see in the news after a flood about not buying flood cars. The big joke is that the mechanical components can be salvaged quite easily, the interior usually needs replacement but the big item that cant be reliably salvaged is the electronics. Once the electronics get wet its time to total them. I have met several individuals who buy totaled high trucks and then who buy a flood truck via private sale so the VIN isn't flagged and combine the interior and electronics into one good truck. They specialize in only one model so they get good at doing the swap. Just like the local Toyota garage, they have two bays dedicated to changing Toyota frames. They hire kids out of tech school and that is all they do 40 hours a week, yank the body and running gear off a rusted frame and put it on a new frame. No doubt its boring but I bet they beat book time.

 

[Ashful]

...if you don't have the right interface and software" you are screwed. Even the small independent garages don't have the stuff. My brother needed his horn to work for an inspection sticker. He had to pay the Subaru dealer a $250 diagnostic fee to plug the car into a Subaru specific LAN. Turned out it was a dirty slip ring on the steering column. $600 later he had working horn.

There will always be isolated cases like this. But has the addition of electronics has resulted in more reliable vehicles, not the other way around. The challenge is distilling this down to an increase vs. decrease in net cost of ownership, as the addition of electronics has also made possible the addition of many features, for which you are being charged at time of purchase... and which can also break down the road.

 

[bholler]

Big thread drift but what the heck Computer controlled injection as well as computer controlled other systems are great. The big "but" is software and interface equipment to get at the computer. US law forces access to some limited data in a standardized format for emissions but there is no requirement to give access to lot of the other systems. Most cars these days have several local area networks pushing proprietary digital data around, if you don't have the right interface and software" you are screwed. Even the small independent garages don't have the stuff. My brother needed his horn to work for an inspection sticker. He had to pay the Subaru dealer a $250 diagnostic fee to plug the car into a Subaru specific LAN. Turned out it was a dirty slip ring on the steering column. $600 later he had working horn.

By the way typical car insurance does not cover having to total a car because the electronics don't work unless it can be connected to an actual external event, like and accident or a flood. You will see in the news after a flood about not buying flood cars. The big joke is that the mechanical components can be salvaged quite easily, the interior usually needs replacement but the big item that cant be reliably salvaged is the electronics. Once the electronics get wet its time to total them. I have met several individuals who buy totaled high trucks and then who buy a flood truck via private sale so the VIN isn't flagged and combine the interior and electronics into one good truck. They specialize in only one model so they get good at doing the swap. Just like the local Toyota garage, they have two bays dedicated to changing Toyota frames. They hire kids out of tech school and that is all they do 40 hours a week, yank the body and running gear off a rusted frame and put it on a new frame. No doubt its boring but I bet they beat book time.

Ok but honestly the number of catastrophic electronic failures are very low. Modern cars on average run much longer with much less work and way more performance than the old stuff.

And within a few months of their release there is hacked software available online for almost all new automotive operating systems and the access codes aren't hard to get either.

 

[bholler]

As far as the horn goes there is absolutely no reason that couldn't have been fixed by any mechanic the old way. Take it apart and find the problem.

 

[SeanBB]

For me it's horses for courses. I have no need for more than 90mph or sub 8 seconds 0 to 60mph times. What I need is good 40 to 60mph accelerating times and good 65 to 80mph times. Those are the accelerating times we need here in the UK for overtaking on country roads and motorways.
I am pleased with my car, it gives me a good compromise. It is a Honda Civic Sport turbo diesel, 16 valve, twin cam, six speed. I get over 50 miles per (uk) gallon and that is important with the price of fuel here. For overtaking on country roads I drop down to third gear at 50mph and floor it and it is (hope this local expression doesn't offend anyone) chit off a shovel, And it is a Honda so 200,000+ miles is a given.

Having said that…..

I would love a 1,000 horse power Corvette!

 

[Seasoned Oak]

After looking for a few months at everything out there the wife made a choice and went for the black, low mileage(14k) 2SS Camaro 6SP Manual, 426HP ,all leather interior. The owner came down 4k from his original asking price. Had just purchased it 18 months ago for 28k from a dealer. Was asking 24,we paid 20. This model new is in the mid 40s.

 

[Ashful]

After looking for a few months at everything out there the wife made a choice and went for the black, low mileage(14k) 2SS Camaro 6SP Manual, 426HP ,all leather interior. The owner came down 4k from his original asking price. Had just purchased it 18 months ago for 28k from a dealer. Was asking 24,we paid 20. This model new is in the mid 40s.

So, is she going to let you drive it? [emoji1]

 

[Seasoned Oak]

So, is she going to let you drive it? [emoji1]

Iv been mostly driving it since she is a little rusty with the stick. Kinda funny watching her pull out on a hill. Trying to control all those horses. Going to need a neck brace.