clemsonfor
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my cousin has an 026 but i never really messed with it much. I did a bit before i knew what i was doing. Whats the rubber grommit on the top of the saw?
Muffler mod - 036
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Maybe I should put a 24" bar on the 064, make that my mid-size saw, and buy an 880 to run the bigger bars.
clemsonfor
Minister of Fire
Are you comparing it to the 064? If so there is going to be no comparison.
When i grab that 026 its way lighter and even with a sharp chain comes no where close to what my 390 can do when cutting big logs.
When i grab that 026 its way lighter and even with a sharp chain comes no where close to what my 390 can do when cutting big logs.
You're kinda stuck in limbo with the 064. It's not quite an 066/MS660 but it's more than an 046/MS460. No matter what saws you have, you're always going to wonder if the next one up/down would have been better.
Jay will tell you, the 880 is quite the specialist machine. Not a saw that everyone can use on a regular basis. I know you get into some big trunks fairly regular but certainly nothing that an MS660 or your 064 would struggle with.
Muffler modding the 036 isn't a bad idea. You won't be giving up low-end if you do it right. Think of it not so much as a cam/head swap (trade-offs in torque/hp @ rpm) and more like installing a set of FlowMaster Super 40's on an otherwise healthy small-block v8. Power gains will be mild, sound quality should become more aggressive, but the engine should overall run cooler and stronger as a result.
Well, mostly, I'm comparing it to my smaller 50cc Echo 510 EVL. It's frustrating that this 62cc saw stops in every cut a dozen times, requiring me to lift it out and get chain speed back up, when my 50cc Echo almost never does this. However, I'm running the full chisel on the 036, and always ran semi-chisel on the Echo, so that's one difference worth exploring.
That said, it is my opinion that all of my saws should cut at roughly the same speed, but with different size bars. The 036 with a smaller 20" bar damn well better keep up with the 064 wearing a big bar!
A 70cc saw is tempting, but I like my 064, and don't see the point in having a second saw so close in weight. I really like having a 50 - 60 cc saw for carrying around / general purpose use.
Lack of decompression valve!
Actually, I always figure the less hours I spend with the 064 in my hands, the less likely I am to kill myself with it. I can cut all day with a smaller saw, without getting nearly as tired. The 064 is fun, but it does make me tired. Most accidents happen when you're tired. I probably grab my 7-pound T435 most frequently of all my saws!
edit: just Googled "Stihl highest power to weight ratio," and several of the links referred to my beloved 064! Here's one: (broken link removed)
Well, I'll spend a little more time with this 036, but I'm going to keep my eyes open for a 4xx/04x saw, or even a second 064 to run with a short bar. I guess I just don't have the patience that cutting with an 036 requires. :lol:
I watch the vids of 036's on YouTube, but all of the ones I've seen show guys cutting 8" - 10" rounds. I haven't tried this saw on a whole lot of small stuff like that, or taken the opportunity to actually time it, but I think it would cut about the speed of those demos.
I watch the vids of 036's on YouTube, but all of the ones I've seen show guys cutting 8" - 10" rounds. I haven't tried this saw on a whole lot of small stuff like that, or taken the opportunity to actually time it, but I think it would cut about the speed of those demos.
fox9988
Minister of Fire
I have similar saws. An 036 (stock) and an Echo CS-510 (MM). Both with full chisel 20". The Echo is impressive, feels like it has better power/weight ratio. That being said, the 036 definitely has more power. Stopping many times in the cut? Not mine buried in oak. What size sprocket is on the 036?
If it has an 8 pin rim? Its possible it would stop like that?
As Jay said, it may be the Rakers? Have you tried a new RSC chain? Or have you just used the chain that came with it?
Does it four stroke well at wide open throttle? Then clear up in the cut?
As Jay said, it may be the Rakers? Have you tried a new RSC chain? Or have you just used the chain that came with it?
Does it four stroke well at wide open throttle? Then clear up in the cut?
Dexter: Yep, I had a brand new out of the box 33RSC on it at the beginning of this thread. Then I swapped it for a brand new out of the box Husqvarna chain, whatever their equivalent to the 33RSC is.
Okay, so I had a cord or two of 12" - 18" ash and maple trees to buck [1], and decided this would be a good test for the 036. To date, I've only been using this saw with rounds over 24", mostly ripping (not noodling, but straight ripping) these 1000+ lb. rounds to halve or quarter them, before muscling them onto the splitter. Clearly not this saw's forte, and my comments about it grabbing and stopping in the cut were all with regard to full nose-buried cutting of big stuff, as that's mostly what I seem to get these days.
Bucking up stuff under 14", this saw flies! Definitely one of the higher chain speed saws I've run, and in 10" Maple, it has no problems keeping the chain speed up. I'd say even up to 16" diameter, it does very well. At 18", I see it slowing noticeably, but it still does respectfully. When I get to the full length of the 20" bar, such as the piece in the photo below, the saw is a dog.
The answer: I should have put an 18" bar on this saw. I was thinking a 62cc saw should handle a 20" bar well, but it just doesn't do well with a 20" bar buried to the nose. Unfortunately, I bought a new solid pro sprocket tip bar and about a mile of 33RSC chain for this saw, so I'll have to decide whether it's worth spending the coin to switch down to 18". I do spend a lot of time with the nose buried in bigger stuff, and while the 064 does well with the big stuff, it would be nice to be able to keep working with this saw when it's already in my hands.
I did have some fun drop-starting this saw, something I don't think I'll try with the 064. The 036 has a decomp valve, although I find it's not necessary, and almost never remember to push it!
[1] - https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/free-ash-delivered.111040/
Okay, so I had a cord or two of 12" - 18" ash and maple trees to buck [1], and decided this would be a good test for the 036. To date, I've only been using this saw with rounds over 24", mostly ripping (not noodling, but straight ripping) these 1000+ lb. rounds to halve or quarter them, before muscling them onto the splitter. Clearly not this saw's forte, and my comments about it grabbing and stopping in the cut were all with regard to full nose-buried cutting of big stuff, as that's mostly what I seem to get these days.
Bucking up stuff under 14", this saw flies! Definitely one of the higher chain speed saws I've run, and in 10" Maple, it has no problems keeping the chain speed up. I'd say even up to 16" diameter, it does very well. At 18", I see it slowing noticeably, but it still does respectfully. When I get to the full length of the 20" bar, such as the piece in the photo below, the saw is a dog.
The answer: I should have put an 18" bar on this saw. I was thinking a 62cc saw should handle a 20" bar well, but it just doesn't do well with a 20" bar buried to the nose. Unfortunately, I bought a new solid pro sprocket tip bar and about a mile of 33RSC chain for this saw, so I'll have to decide whether it's worth spending the coin to switch down to 18". I do spend a lot of time with the nose buried in bigger stuff, and while the 064 does well with the big stuff, it would be nice to be able to keep working with this saw when it's already in my hands.
I did have some fun drop-starting this saw, something I don't think I'll try with the 064. The 036 has a decomp valve, although I find it's not necessary, and almost never remember to push it!
[1] - https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/free-ash-delivered.111040/
The crotch that made this saw bog. I cut it the way the bar is oriented, as a test.
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I think the solution to my wanting a shorter bar, but already owning this one plus lots of chain, is to just put some BIG DOGS on this little saw!
I think the solution to my wanting a shorter bar, but already owning this one plus lots of chain, is to just put some BIG DOGS on this little saw!
I run 18" mainly and with Big Digs, so I prob have close to just 16" of bar. But, I try and keep the logs under 16". When I buy a log load, that's my limit and the seller knows it.
I have kept one of these, and even the one with small Digs, left with Big Dogs on it. Looks sexy
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I have kept one of these, and even the one with small Digs, left with Big Dogs on it. Looks sexy
FleaBay... There are a couple out there. Some are 4 Dog, some 5. Some thicker, and some have a chain catch that goes between inner and outer Dog. Some are painted, some powder coated.
There are several Nice sets out there. Stihl makes there own. They come in the MS 460 R from the factory. I dont know the Part #, but do know they make them.
There are several Nice sets out there. Stihl makes there own. They come in the MS 460 R from the factory. I dont know the Part #, but do know they make them.
20" hardwood? Ported 372 with a 20" bar for me please.
I must cut like you Joful, I like to lean on a saw and make chips.
I must cut like you Joful, I like to lean on a saw and make chips.
Yeah, I have zero patience for an underpowered saw. If there's not mulch-sized chips flying off the saw, you're cutting too slow!
Dex: I was looking at the ones on eBay yesterday, and saw the 5- and 4-tooth versions, but had trouble telling the good heavy ones from the junk!
Dex: I was looking at the ones on eBay yesterday, and saw the 5- and 4-tooth versions, but had trouble telling the good heavy ones from the junk!
I got one pair from DRZ Chainsaw and 2 from Customchaindaws (I think that is the sellers name?). All 3 are pretty close to the same.
I had an extra set and just got rid of them not to long ago.
I had an extra set and just got rid of them not to long ago.
Those 9" monsters on the SP125 I dont even have to lean on.Its not a saw that my 170lb slowly aging body would want to use all day now though.....![[Hearth.com] Muffler mod - 036](/talk/data/attachments/106/106087-311fccfa194a0aaf34e3e1f2d6eca4e8.jpg?hash=veNmRJwLJK)
Those big dawgs sure makes them go faster!
In my case, yes! Only cuz they shorten the bar to something the saw can better handle, tho.
I spent more time bucking with the 036 tonight, and I'm actually starting to like this saw. It has excellent chain speed, and decent power in a 12" round. As long as I keep the tip out of the log, it actually cuts pretty fast.
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