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Pics posted in this thread: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...6-4-7-on-the-mall.112056/page-11#post-1575423
I also posted pictures on twitter under #stove13 and under my twitter account https://twitter.com/mailmovers
Where are the spinner hub caps? If you are gonna make it gaudy its gotta have spinner hub caps.
Woohoo, I love the passion of that team. It's good to see them pull ahead.
I asked this to the panel, but somehow it got changed to "who do you think has the best stove?"
Who do you think will win the competition?
Who do you think will win the competition?
Oldhippie
Minister of Fire
- Dec 18, 2011
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The are showcasing the ability to put add on "warmer" attachments for clothing or for food, that can be easily customized for each individual buyer. this then provides some unique personality to the stove. It could be artful or functional or not at all.
Additionally, the stove is targeted toward a lower cost price-point and does not intend to provide a high degree of beauty. It is not trying to compete against it's own company's more expensive stoves, like the PH, or other company's stoves like the PEs or Jotuls or Lopi Cape Cod. This stove is targeted more toward the BK market I believe; BIG, fully functional, and midrange cost. $2K is the number I've heard as the target.
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And the winner is: Woodstock!
eclecticcottage
Minister of Fire
I dunno...I've looked at the pics of it, even without the funky add ons it's really not that good looking of a stove to me. And it's not like I've got a fancy stove, just a big black square box, so I'm not too fussy about looks. At least make the door frame and the body the same color, or an option to have it the same!
Just saw the post above me, they won. I'll be interested in the numbers!
Just saw the post above me, they won. I'll be interested in the numbers!
Can you elaborate as to what they won.. Are you referring to green heat as the cleanest burning best output stove?
Thanks,
Ray
Oldhippie
Minister of Fire
- Dec 18, 2011
- 570
It's a prototype, I there may be a number of changes, in looks, color, add-on' accessories etc and even functionality/features before it ships. But the basic stove burn capability having been tested and passed EPA testing etc, that will stay the same.
This was interesting. Thanks for posting it.
A theme that will resonate here:
"Cordwood is a complex, complicated fuel, particularly when used on a domestic scale... When you have a small stove and put a piece of wood in, the size, geometry, species, and density can have an effect on the stove’s performance.”
"The issue of complication stems from the fact that the U.S. has no firewood standardization, unlike Austria, where there is no debate as to what firewood is... “I manufacture masonry heaters and during start-up, if there are any problems, 90 percent of the time it’s the wood.”'
-- Norbert Senf of the Masonry Heater Association (I think that's who they were quoting... it was a little ambiguous.)
A theme that will resonate here:
"Cordwood is a complex, complicated fuel, particularly when used on a domestic scale... When you have a small stove and put a piece of wood in, the size, geometry, species, and density can have an effect on the stove’s performance.”
"The issue of complication stems from the fact that the U.S. has no firewood standardization, unlike Austria, where there is no debate as to what firewood is... “I manufacture masonry heaters and during start-up, if there are any problems, 90 percent of the time it’s the wood.”'
-- Norbert Senf of the Masonry Heater Association (I think that's who they were quoting... it was a little ambiguous.)
That's neat to get the recognition for all that hard work and time spent. I know they spent years on the basic technology and chose to innovate as opposed to copy (like many others in all industries do).....
I think all the entrants "won" to some degree because the whole idea here is to further the quest for public, media and governmental involvement. The ability to have these REALLY clean stoves as the next generation will help do away with many of the common complaints about wood burning. All of these technologies are available today (Progress, Cape Cod, Wittus, etc.) and many variations on them will be available in the next couple of years.
It will be nice when, as with most cars, you can't buy a dirty stove any longer. That is, the customer should automatically get the best available technology for keeping the air clean and getting the most heat from a woodpile.
Regular EPA stoves have not operated in the field as well as advertised. I think they ended up putting out maybe 1/2 the emissions of non-EPA stoves...as opposed to the 1/6 to 1/10th that was claimed. I think this next round of products will do much better in the real world.
Now we at Hearth.com just have to keep schooling people about chimneys, wood, operation, etc.
Even the best stoves will not work well if those variables aren't taken care of.
I think all the entrants "won" to some degree because the whole idea here is to further the quest for public, media and governmental involvement. The ability to have these REALLY clean stoves as the next generation will help do away with many of the common complaints about wood burning. All of these technologies are available today (Progress, Cape Cod, Wittus, etc.) and many variations on them will be available in the next couple of years.
It will be nice when, as with most cars, you can't buy a dirty stove any longer. That is, the customer should automatically get the best available technology for keeping the air clean and getting the most heat from a woodpile.
Regular EPA stoves have not operated in the field as well as advertised. I think they ended up putting out maybe 1/2 the emissions of non-EPA stoves...as opposed to the 1/6 to 1/10th that was claimed. I think this next round of products will do much better in the real world.
Now we at Hearth.com just have to keep schooling people about chimneys, wood, operation, etc.
Even the best stoves will not work well if those variables aren't taken care of.
OH, any idea how large the stove will be or how much BTU output this new stove will have? hard to tell the size from the pictures.
It's big!
My guess is they will eventually have smaller models in the same basic type, but this is a whole house heater for cold climates!
In person (in stove?), it's larger than what the pics seem.
In terms of BTU output, it's the usual formulas - depends on the wood species, burn time, etc. but my take is this will be among the most capable stoves on the market in terms of long burn with a medium or large heat output. Did I mention it is big?
My guess is they will eventually have smaller models in the same basic type, but this is a whole house heater for cold climates!
In person (in stove?), it's larger than what the pics seem.
In terms of BTU output, it's the usual formulas - depends on the wood species, burn time, etc. but my take is this will be among the most capable stoves on the market in terms of long burn with a medium or large heat output. Did I mention it is big?
It is a big honkin steel stove. Have I ever mentioned that I love big honkin steel stoves?
Congrats!
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teutonicking
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Hard to post from the phone but the heat is on here. Woodstock is holding first place for clean burning. The twin-fire for efficiency. I can tell you that you want to be careful where you place that stove. For a small stove it is hugely radiant.
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I took a movie of it burning on my Iphone but it won't download a mov file. Is there any way to post it on here?
teutonicking
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The size looks very similar to my Progress Hybrid. In talking to folks from Woodstock, I was told that the technology on the new steel stove is simlar to the PH. In terms of heat, the steel stove will burn longer than the PH, but put out a bit less heat than the PH. Of course, the new stove will be priced significantly lower. I was told it will be less than $2,000, and they are trying to approach the $1500 mark. I replied that if they are able to sell their new stove for $1500, they will be competative price-wise with almost any stove on the market, and they should expect a lot of sales.
teutonicking
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I believe that stove puts out just over 40,000 BTUs. But you also need to load it every few hours--it can only hold about 3-4 small splits--I think about 12" in length if I recall.
I was going to get the PH next year but I'm going to hold off and see how this one ends up, if it fits into my FP I'd probably go with the new one.
My install will look like this one, in fact just eyeballing it looks almost exactly the same size as my FP, it's definitely with an inch or two.
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teutonicking
Feeling the Heat
The article covers the day before the final results were in. Is there another out yet that has the conclusion and test results?
In the article I found this perspective interesting. This is something we have been observing for several years.
Cordwood is a complex, complicated fuel, particularly when used on a domestic scale, emphasized Senf. “When you have a small stove and put a piece of wood in, the size, geometry, species, and density can have an effect on the stove’s performance.”
The issue of complication stems from the fact that the U.S. has no firewood standardization, unlike Austria, where there is no debate as to what firewood is, he said. “I manufacture masonry heaters and during start-up, if there are any problems, 90 percent of the time it’s the wood.”
“We don’t have the same wood culture than they do in Europe,” Wittus added. “That’s what we need to teach people.”
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