Downeast is trying to bait me into discussion
Tell ‘em Mr E. But then “the stoves are 100% American.”
Are you asking if Canada is part of America? Last time I checked it was.
Are you looking to for me to do a brief history lesson how the war of 1812 established the 49 parrellel
Yes we had the French and indian wars, that resulted in more of the border being defined.
Yess the Ontario teacher pention plan owns and controls CFM. They had little choice they happened to be the largest share holders when CFM corp just about Bankrupted the company
by delaulting its loan obligations The teachers association had two options sit back and have bankrupcy courts dish nickles on thier dollars oor take a bold move ant takeover the company.
a take over would mean a huge comniment to more money pumped in to get rolling again, Another part was to sell off u non productive branches of CFm like its water and wter purification unit
the focus on it main teir of products making hearth products. Under an entirly new management and finally the funds needed to do R&D CFM/VC started manufacturing the everburn
technology. At no point did the Vermont foundrys ever shut down during all this corporate termoil. Went feul prices were less than $1 per gallon the hearth industry went in decline.
The early 90's things were so bad the original founder need a company to buy them out they sold to Majestic the original combination on paper looked good VC with wood burning technology and Majestic with gas This union last only a few years till the Mid 90's when CFM bought out Majestic. CFM oinly looked at the bottom line and milked the good VC name they brnched out into other industries that did not turn out to be productive and startrd loosing money to the point of loan defaults. During that time QC took a hit they treated their dealers like crap expecting them to solve all QC issues. The threat that they would market to the big box stores was real ie gas grills. By selling to the bvig box stores local dealers could not compete. so many local dealers got fedup and dropped their line. Somewhere around 1998 /1999 the quality control issuse got to the point things had to be changes Finally replacement refractior packages were used to replace the cracking cast iron plates. A little more money was being directed to R&D again QC began to improve but the company on a whole was loosing money and it came to a head in 2003
when the teachers bought out what was left of CFM. From that time forward I have noticed a dedication and renewed commitment to quality and better dealer relations. CFM has limited its product line with the big box stores as well. Part of the renewed R&D is connected to the everburn technolody A bold move to bring to market a stove that emitted less than 1 GPH the cleanes stoves ever tested by the EPA. The company is banking on the acceptance of this new technology In no way are they out of the financial woods they still carry a huge dedt
So How am I doing Downeast is this a fair assesment of where VC is and the uphill battle to exist anymore you want to add feel free? I do not feel I sugar coated one part of the history.
I admitted to problems with QC I admittes to dealer relations and lack of dealer support anything else I missed fill us in. Do you think it fair with completely m new owners and managrs that the company is still run the same way If so please educate us. If you have issues VC should address I did supply you with phone nyumbers where you can talk to the head of engineering and let them know of your concerns. I supplied you those phone numeres months back. If you need them again either back search this site or PM me and I wll provide them again.
I assume that you were so concerned that you would have taken the initiative and called. Well !,what did you find out? I also assumed you issues would be better you explaining them directly to them, then finding them out in pieces on an open forum. In you mind can you acept that one makes a mistake admits then tries to improve to move on or are they froverr bound by a prior mishaps. I would like to think one can learn form mistakes and use the knowlegde not to repet them But that's my way of thinking Evidently not shared by you
So stop feline fotoing around and spill out you discontent ,be you disdain towards me, or the manufacturer ,so it can be addressed .Call VC. I do know the last time you needed info ,I went out of my way to provide you the linkls ,to what you asked. BTW have you used the everburn technology?
was solved for you Cramer. But think about it: how many man hours, frustration, maybe expense did it take over how long for the "problem" to be solved ? How much is your time worth ? We purchase products for 1/2 the price of most wood stoves that operate no more than they should. Would a trial run at the factory cut into CFM's margins that much? Do the Canadian Teachers Union need those pennies ? What has it cost in market share, in good will, in product positioning ? How much time do employees have to take to re-do a defective product ? John Davidson needs to be out pushing product, training dealers, not fighting unecessary fires :coolsmirk: 
