My suggestion is to make sure you have all your ducks in a row and understand what else you will be buying (i.e. total project cost). If I understand that Garn correctly it has its own storage and will therefore save you a lot of $'s on storage tanks. If you think that mixing water via a shunt valve is something that is important to you then getting a boiler that has this built in would probably save you $'s, etc.$13,212. For a jr. I'd be more incline to spend $10k or less but something tells me they don't go on sale
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maple1
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Also, the Garn is open. Which will save on cost of expansion tanks, but will typically require an extra HX setup.
And annual water maintenance costs would also be another input.
Pluses & minuses everywhere...
And annual water maintenance costs would also be another input.
Pluses & minuses everywhere...
Bj, unless you are inclined and have the time, I'd consider the Controlls already integrated in the effecta money well spent. The up front cost difference in the boiler is far less than all the after market add ons that you would need to get you to the same place, especially if you want set/forget.
I would be careful with a horizontal termination on the flue pipe. This is what i tried, to get going for the winter, with the intention of putting a block chimney in at a later date. Im in the process of going vertical bc the wind was actually making the stove back up, and on one occasion on last Sunday night, filled the house with smoke and fumes.
As for brands, effecta isn't the only one. Brian actually had me look at the the froling, and vigas as apples to apples comparison and they are wonderful boilers with a lot of happy customers. I went with the effecta 35 based on price point and I'm also from indiana and brian was the closest of the dealers.
I'm extremely happy with my effecta so far, and still have more things to do to get it running optimally.
After saying all this, don't think that these are plug and play. Yes, once set up properly and professionally it will be load and forget, or as close as possible, but don't disregard the garn jr. due to price as its more complete. The costs associated with a batch burner can be many thousands added to the bill, especially if it's professionally installed.
Keep on cutting and splitting wood, and do the homework.
Erin
As for brands, effecta isn't the only one. Brian actually had me look at the the froling, and vigas as apples to apples comparison and they are wonderful boilers with a lot of happy customers. I went with the effecta 35 based on price point and I'm also from indiana and brian was the closest of the dealers.
I'm extremely happy with my effecta so far, and still have more things to do to get it running optimally.
After saying all this, don't think that these are plug and play. Yes, once set up properly and professionally it will be load and forget, or as close as possible, but don't disregard the garn jr. due to price as its more complete. The costs associated with a batch burner can be many thousands added to the bill, especially if it's professionally installed.
Keep on cutting and splitting wood, and do the homework.
Erin
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Erin - do you have the newest model Effecta that has the controls for the shunt valve? I know Brain was not a believer in the value how using it but after working directly with Effecta I have mine running that way and am a believer. I know that Froling and Vigas are good machines, not sure whether or not they have the same integrated controls to run multiple Shunt zones.
I'm curious as to what challenges you have been having getting your boiler running smoothly. Mine was pretty much plug and play once it was plumbed in. In fact I was the "head technician" for the install of my 60kw, and I am the least technical/mechanical person you will find and I found it to be plug and play as well. As I am learning from this forum there are plumbing things I can improve but the boiler itself was straight forward.
John, I have one of the older effecta 35s. I guess by plug and play I meant that there is more to it than just buying the boiler.
When I bought mine it was agreed by Brian that he would help with install questions, but I wouldn't be installing it for a year or two. Once I started the install early this winter, 1.5 yrs later, marc, gene, and I came to conclusion that I accidentally received a laddo valve intended for canada. It had 28mm copper compression fittings for 28mm copper pipe, that can't be easily obtained in the u.s. also, the laddo I have is to be wired 230. So I had a few hoops to jump through before I got going.
I ended up turning down some type l 1" copper on my wood lathe to allow the compression ring to slip over the copper and it has worked fine so far.
The only wa I see this as a plug and play situation is if you are replacing an existing boiler and the storage, expansion, ect is already in place.
Erin
Hi Erin - Thanks for the clarification, I would completely agree that there is a lot more to it than just buying the boiler. I forget which thread I mentioned it on but my buying decision was focuses around what I call "infrastructure" (tanks, plumbing, etc.). I am not very mechanical and Brian helped me get those costs under control. One definitely needs to look at total project cost.
The older model Effecta is a great machine, I had that version running last year. I can tell you that if you agree with the theory of mixing water to heat with low temps then the new model is a completely different animal - not sure if the Vigas and Froling have those features. I know there are controllers that work outside of the boiler that can do the same thing, I assume Effecta's European customers have been doing that.
Bummer on the Laddomat fittings. Not sure which would have been easier but if you had reached out to Hannes at Efffecta I know he would have gotten you the right fittings. If you ever need help he is great. Regarding the 230V, that is the 1 thing I wish were different on mine.. I know that Effecta has designed & tested a US version that runs on 110V so imagine any future purchases will be 110v (don't hold me to that).
I actually swapped out the 35kw for the 60kw and from the boiler perspective it was plug and play. However there is always plumbing/infrastructure work - for example because of the additional BTU's it requires a larger pipe, I had the shunt valve installed, etc.
maple1
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Once I started the install early this winter, 1.5 yrs later, marc, gene, and I came to conclusion that I accidentally received a laddo valve intended for canada. It had 28mm copper compression fittings for 28mm copper pipe, that can't be easily obtained in the u.s. also, the laddo I have is to be wired 230.
Sounds like you got a European one. The USA & Canada are the same as far as pipe sizing & wiring goes.
Sounds like you got a European one. The USA & Canada are the same as far as pipe sizing & wiring goes.
Could be, when I received the boiler the laddomat was inside the firebox. And the crate looked undisturbed. This was the only thing that we could think of.
How is the availability of parts for the Effecta?
Like the controller? and how much does a new one cost.
At times I have considered getting something more refined than my Econoburn but the availability and cost of replacement parts always stops me.
gg
Like the controller? and how much does a new one cost.
At times I have considered getting something more refined than my Econoburn but the availability and cost of replacement parts always stops me.
gg
I would suggest checking with Marc at AHONA, as mentioned I believe he has (or is) taking over as the US Importer. I'd be happy to talk to you offline but I ended up leading the install of my new Effecta and can share the following: 1. Absolute worst case is you get a part shipped from Sweden - Effecta was great to work with 2. I am mechanically challenged but learned that I can personally service and repair anything on my Effecta - I was previously dependent on calling my plumber if anything went wrong with my heating system so regardless of cost of a controller it is cheaper than calling my plumber.
Hannes @ Effecta
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Hi!
If you want any help on getting in contact with the right contact persons or specific questions related to our products feel free to contact me via e-mail before finding a good reseller. I am the person at Effecta working with export and at the moment digging in to sorting the new distribution solution. If you need anything from us please do not hesitate to e-mail me at hannes(at)effecta.se (at) should obviously be replaced with @ i am just trying to avoid some of the Viagra and bogus e-mails.
Thanks!
From another Effecta owner I say I am very happy with mine and rhe service even from Sweden if need be.
I have been running mine 3 winters i think now
John is On the money; load it and forget it
i also run pellet option with mine, works the same as my oil boiler. Turns on turns off; keep 1/2 ton hopper full and clean it once in a while
To answer your question: i also considered Froling
Regards from Alaska
I have been running mine 3 winters i think now
John is On the money; load it and forget it
i also run pellet option with mine, works the same as my oil boiler. Turns on turns off; keep 1/2 ton hopper full and clean it once in a while
To answer your question: i also considered Froling
Regards from Alaska
Bj1234
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Thanks .. I've been away for a week, catching up now on these posts.. I will email you this weekend..
And JOHN & TCaldwell, thanks for ALL the tips on the effecta..SERIOUSLY considering the 60kw , along w/Vigas & Froling As top of line
and Biomass 60 for a lower end pick.
The garn jr... just can't justify $13k for Jr. And $18k for the 1500 model. ...
My pleasure. I know it is a bit of a road rip but if you are out this way or if you want to make a road trip you are most welcome to come take a look in person. Good luck.
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