Do I need an insulated liner for a Regency ci2700 insert?
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All valid points for insulating it. If the increase in draft is minimal, then yes it should be done. I'm just curious as to at least 3 different installers told me the same thing; it is not needed and is overkill. You'd think installers would want to sell more products and kits but for some reason they don't recommend it almost across the board. Perhaps they have delt with so many uninsulated liners pre-code mandate they are just set in their ways?
It has been code since the early 80s. The fact is they will make more sales and be able to install more stoves if they are dropping bare liners. It's about making more money
I had to pull my liner to insulate it, it is not fun standing on the peak of your roof yanking out a liner.
Like most things in life, do it right the first time now that you have the taken the steps to get the correct knowledge.
Cat stoves like to operate low and slow, so the insulation helps with the draft at lower exhaust temps.
Probably increases sales because the cost is less for the client. This probably gets them to sell more jobs and install faster than wrapping liners first on site or before the job site.
To insulate it, I was getting creosote towards the top half when I switched to a cat insert, the lower exhaust temps really need an insulated liner as I mentioned before.
Faster install, have you tried to hire an installer lately? They are very backed up. Plus more often than not it isn't as easy as the op's situation. Many masonry chimneys have smaller flues and the clay flue needs to be removed to fit in an insulated liner which can be a real pain in the ass.
But the customer would pay (a premium) for that.
I think it has to do with the margins. Margin on labor is lower than the margin on parts. So if you want to make a bit more,
installing a stove and a liner without much labor is better (total margin on the job is larger) than installing a stove with a lot-of-labor-liner.
I think it has to do with the margins. Margin on labor is lower than the margin on parts. So if you want to make a bit more,
installing a stove and a liner without much labor is better (total margin on the job is larger) than installing a stove with a lot-of-labor-liner.
Absolutely correct. Plus dropping bare liners no block off plate etc a crew can do atleast 2 many times 3 installs a day. Doing a good install it's only one a day.
Update: Regency ci2700 installed with insulated liner. Just doing a couple break in fires. Cat approved!
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Sweet! Nice looking installation! The kitteh will be making a permanent home there as long as a fire is burning.
I was told that it's more difficult to install as it's a bit thicker than 6 inches. They past the cost of an insulated liner on to you as they don't actually I slated it they just buy already insulated liners.
Many installers don't do it because it increases the total cost of the job meaning they may loose the job to another installer. It also can make the install much more difficult meaning you can't schedule multiple jobs in one day.
Insisting upon doing it right with insulation proper cleaning block off plates etc actually reduces potential profits.
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