Covid scare

[bholler]

I wasn't able to isolate at all other than the few times I had to quarantine due to direct exposure

 

[gzecc]

Unfortunately the respect you're referring to is not going to stop these viruses. Thinking surgical masks are going to stop viral transmission is wishful thinking. The virus is on hands, masks, digital devices etc. Anyone out in the general public interacting with the general public will get these viruses. Now Ba 2 is developing. Supposedly more infectious than omicron.

 

[begreen]

A mask is effective, especially when combined with other precautions. In many office situations, one does not touch things outside her/his office or cubicle and can wash hands or sanitize right afterward. When coworkers also wear a mask it dramatically reduces the dispersal of the virus. We're all in this together.

 

[bholler]

Unfortunately the respect you're referring to is not going to stop these viruses. Thinking surgical masks are going to stop viral transmission is wishful thinking. The virus is on hands, masks, digital devices etc. Anyone out in the general public interacting with the general public will get these viruses. Now Ba 2 is developing. Supposedly more infectious than omicron.

I have yet to get it and am an essential worker so never shut down. Had quite a few close contacts with people who had covid.

No masks don't stop it but the do greatly reduce the risk of transmission when combined with other precautions.

 

[fire_man]

Wearing masks to help reduce the risk of transmission while Covid is still high risk is no different than the courteous behavior of washing ones hands after using the toilet.

Its a common sense procedure which helps prevent potentential transmission of dangerous pathogens. It's really not that complicated to understand.

 

[SpaceBus]

Unfortunately the respect you're referring to is not going to stop these viruses. Thinking surgical masks are going to stop viral transmission is wishful thinking. The virus is on hands, masks, digital devices etc. Anyone out in the general public interacting with the general public will get these viruses. Now Ba 2 is developing. Supposedly more infectious than omicron.

Who said surgical masks? My state is giving out N95's now. It's pretty rare to catch covid from surfaces, and most people keep hand sanitizer on themselves now.

Furthermore this whole pandemic perfectly illustrates that public health in this country is a joke. The only medical support people get is just enough to keep them employed, nothing more. I have a "Cadillac" health plan, but only because I joined the most socialist institution on the planet, the military. Everyone gets a monthly income, health care, dental, vision, etc. so they can be functional parts of a team. Clearly socialism works very well, the US military are the fittest alcoholics on the planet. The members of our armed forces can complete physically and mentally tough tasks while having otherwise crippling substance abuse problems. If everyone had access to such amazing levels of health care, education, and housing opportunities without having to risk their lives for a bunch of capitalists the possibilities of this country would be limitless.

 

[gzecc]

Who said surgical masks? My state is giving out N95's now. It's pretty rare to catch covid from surfaces, and most people keep hand sanitizer on themselves now.

Furthermore this whole pandemic perfectly illustrates that public health in this country is a joke. The only medical support people get is just enough to keep them employed, nothing more. I have a "Cadillac" health plan, but only because I joined the most socialist institution on the planet, the military. Everyone gets a monthly income, health care, dental, vision, etc. so they can be functional parts of a team. Clearly socialism works very well, the US military are the fittest alcoholics on the planet. The members of our armed forces can complete physically and mentally tough tasks while having otherwise crippling substance abuse problems. If everyone had access to such amazing levels of health care, education, and housing opportunities without having to risk their lives for a bunch of capitalists the possibilities of this country would be limitless.

Socialism works great until people realizes you don't have to work! Can't loose your job, healthcare, home, education.....

 

[bholler]

Socialism works great until people realizes you don't have to work! Can't loose your job, healthcare, home, education.....

Can you honestly say the financial side of our current medical system makes more sense in any way than a single payer system?

 

[Dan Freeman]

Socialism works great until people realizes you don't have to work! Can't loose your job, healthcare, home, education.....

Or as Margaret Thatcher said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." One of the best quotes of all time, IMO.

Did you see yesterday's headline? "America's national debt surpasses $30 trillion for the first time." And that does not include the trillions the Fed has been printing to prop up the banks and the stock market that aren't included in the debt.

As Bette Davis said in All About Eve, "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night."

 

[Dan Freeman]

Can you honestly say the financial side of our current medical system makes more sense in any way than a single payer system?

No. Unless you want to give the government more power. The entire system needs overhauling, but single payer would be disastrous.

 

[bholler]

No. Unless you want to give the government more power. The entire system needs overhauling, but single payer would be disastrous.

It hasn't been in most places it has been implemented. And the current single payer systems we already have work quite well.

But atleast we can agree our current system doesn't work and hasn't for a long time.


For me it comes down to do you want large profit driven corporations to have the power in our medical system or not

 

[Dan Freeman]

It hasn't been in most places it has been implemented. And the current single payer systems we already have work quite well

I tend to disagree wholeheartedly, but don't want to get into a pissing match with you. 🙂

To your edit afterwards: "But atleast we can agree our current system doesn't work and hasn't for a long time." Yes!

 

[bholler]

I tend to disagree wholeheartedly, but don't want to get into a pissing match with you. 🙂

Fair enough

 

[SpaceBus]

The US military is literally a socialist meritocracy. You are paid and given privilege based on rank/time in service, all medical care is free, all housing is free, all food is free, and you just have to show up every day in the right uniform. There is also no limit on money, every country can literally print more. I love the folks talking down on socialism that have never experienced just walking to the clinic and getting care.

 

[sprawlnstall]

Are there any numbers from the CDC or anyone that provide how effective the vaccine is at reducing covid symptoms? Im not sure how such a thing could be measured.

 

[bholler]

Are there any numbers from the CDC or anyone that provide how effective the vaccine is at reducing covid symptoms? Im not sure how such a thing could be measured.

There are studies available. The problem is the effectiveness changes with each variant

 

[stoveliker]

I'm not sure that there are many studies available that show the efficacy at reducing covid *symptoms*
These would really have to be dedicated studies testing many folks every day. Because this particular issue can't be extracted from societal data (because those w/o symptoms have a large probability of not getting diagnosed).

 

[sprawlnstall]

I’m not against the vaccine but most of what we have been told turns out to be not true (this depends on your source of info) we were told if we mask up, get vaccinated, reach herd immunity we would be back to normal. If the vaccine does not prevent covid is it even a vaccine? I don’t think the people in charge are telling us everything they know such as the origins of covid or how effective the vaccine is.

 

[tlc1976]

At least to me, I figure why not get the Covid vaccine? It’s free and available at just about any pharmacy. Better than the flu vaccine which costs me $40-$50 because my insurance doesn’t cover vaccines along with a bunch of other stuff. But I get it anyway.

Effectiveness will probably eventually be the same as the flu vaccine, which is hit and miss around 50% or so. Because of all the variants.

I figure any time either vaccine saves me from being down with the flu, or Covid, it’s a win. True it won’t always work, but there’s definitely some chance it will help. If I don’t get the vaccine, there’s zero chance it will help.

 

[bholler]

I’m not against the vaccine but most of what we have been told turns out to be not true (this depends on your source of info) we were told if we mask up, get vaccinated, reach herd immunity we would be back to normal. If the vaccine does not prevent covid is it even a vaccine? I don’t think the people in charge are telling us everything they know such as the origins of covid or how effective the vaccine is.

There is no vaccine that is 100% effective. The covid vaccine is no acception to that and the more the virus mutates there is no telling how effective it will be.

 

[sprawlnstall]

At least to me, I figure why not get the Covid vaccine? It’s free and available at just about any pharmacy. Better than the flu vaccine which costs me $40-$50 because my insurance doesn’t cover vaccines along with a bunch of other stuff. But I get it anyway.

Effectiveness will probably eventually be the same as the flu vaccine, which is hit and miss around 50% or so. Because of all the variants.

I figure any time either vaccine saves me from being down with the flu, or Covid, it’s a win. True it won’t always work, but there’s definitely some chance it will help. If I don’t get the vaccine, there’s zero chance it will help.

my line of thinking is similar to yours however your natural immunity after recovering from covid if your unvaccinated is much greater than if you are vaccinated. If you safely recover from covid without a vaccine you may be less likely to get it again. The gamble is if your health is compromised you may not recover if you are unvaccinated.

 

[bholler]

my line of thinking is similar to yours however your natural immunity after recovering from covid if your unvaccinated is much greater than if you are vaccinated. If you safely recover from covid without a vaccine you may be less likely to get it again. The gamble is if your health is compromised you may not recover if you are unvaccinated.

I havnt heard that can you post a link to that data

 

[fire_man]

my line of thinking is similar to yours however your natural immunity after recovering from covid if your unvaccinated is much greater than if you are vaccinated. If you safely recover from covid without a vaccine you may be less likely to get it again. The gamble is if your health is compromised you may not recover if you are unvaccinated.

This is not true. The vaccine offers better immunity
- reference https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

"If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection."

 

[bigealta]

Are there any numbers from the CDC or anyone that provide how effective the vaccine is at reducing covid symptoms? Im not sure how such a thing could be measured.

Doubt that would be very accurate if so, but very clear it's effectiveness of reducing the chance you die, or suffer badly when infected.

 

[sprawlnstall]

- reference https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

"If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection."

This is not true. The vaccine offers better immunity
- reference https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

"If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection."

I guess I’m not sure what to believe a simple google search gives you a different answer.

Natural immunity gets another boost from two new U.S. studies - ClarkCountyToday.com

CDC and Johns Hopkins studies show strength and duration of natural immunity protection.

www.clarkcountytoday.com