Ahh the locust you gotta love

[alex johnson]

Well, we may have to see if we can talk some stove manufacturers into putting lava rocks in the stoves. Still, they, like soapstone or cast, can store only so much heat. As for the lava rocks soaking up the creosote, something just does not sound right there. How much can it soak up? Can the rock really soak it up at all? Would you have to remove this rock every so often to clean it, much as you would clean a chimney? Would it not be better to not have any creosote to "soak up?"

"After the outside of the log is burnt, the interior of the log still has moisture, gives me the longer burn." You are correct in that the moisture is throughout the whole log. It gives you a longer burn simply because it can't burn very fast at all. Where most folks seem to go wrong on the theory of burning green wood vs burning dry wood is that they claim the dry wood burns too fast. Well for sure if they attempt to burn the wood in the same way, the dry will burn faster. But that is one of the beauties of burning dry wood in that you do not have to burn it fast; you do not have to give it as much air as you do to keep wet wood burning. Therefore, you keep more of that energy (heat) in the house rather than sending it up the chimney.

I have no problem with folks who want to burn green wood so long as they aren't affecting their neighbors and it really can have some bad effects. For one, what about those with breathing problems? Is it right to send dirty smoke into the air and have those folks breath it? Isn't this one of the things folks have fought and are still fighting about smoking tobacco? Would it not be better to burn fuel that is more efficient and less polluting?

I'm still not convinced so I'll continue to burn good dry wood. I make every attempt to burn good fuel in all the engines we have and will also make that attempt in the heating department. Dry wood rocks!

The lava rocks self clean by means that they can handle extreme heat, they burn the smoke as it passes through, they do have flyash on the tops of them. But, were the gases pass by they stay clean. Its, quite neat. Locust is the only wood I will burn green. The rocks act as a catch for the creosote, just more place for the tars to stick to, inside the stove. and not the flue. They absorb alot of heat, and can hold it and then release it slowly, my round stove that I took the video of. I have been working with a fire inspector he came over and seen. We filled it up plum full of seasoned black locust, and left the ash door opened the entire burn. The chiminey never got above 500, the skin never got above 700, the lava rock area got up to 1700F. The lava rocks can handle the extreme heat. Backwoods, ifeel your mind is kicking in, I have a provisional patent on the use of lava rocks in a wood burning apparatus, and for incineration purposes. One day my friend, I am more then willing to help with the build of a stove that uses lava rocks. I have videos on youtube, type in lava rocks 44 videos. Good day, its crazy but it works.

 

[alex johnson]

The lava rocks self clean by means that they can handle extreme heat, they burn the smoke as it passes through, they do have flyash on the tops of them. But, were the gases pass by they stay clean. Its, quite neat. Locust is the only wood I will burn green. The rocks act as a catch for the creosote, just more place for the tars to stick to, inside the stove. and not the flue. They absorb alot of heat, and can hold it and then release it slowly, my round stove that I took the video of. I have been working with a fire inspector he came over and seen. We filled it up plum full of seasoned black locust, and left the ash door opened the entire burn. The chiminey never got above 500, the skin never got above 700, the lava rock area got up to 1700F. The lava rocks can handle the extreme heat. Backwoods, ifeel your mind is kicking in, I have a provisional patent on the use of lava rocks in a wood burning apparatus, and for incineration purposes. One day my friend, I am more then willing to help with the build of a stove that uses lava rocks. I have videos on youtube, type in lava rocks 44 videos. Good day, its crazy but it works.

I had a Daka furnace, that first winter it smoked and the neighbors did not like it nor did I. Now I have my lava rock stove and no smoke, i set out to burn smoke free, and i have. in that process i stumbled upon something pretty amazing actually. I want you to be skeptical, but if you think you will see, and then I have alot of videos that prove what I am saying. You will believe.. Im done Good day sirs, Dennis, I apologize. peace

 

[tbuff]

I had a Daka furnace, that first winter it smoked and the neighbors did not like it nor did I. Now I have my lava rock stove and no smoke, i set out to burn smoke free, and i have. in that process i stumbled upon something pretty amazing actually. I want you to be skeptical, but if you think you will see, and then I have alot of videos that prove what I am saying. You will believe.. Im done Good day sirs, Dennis, I apologize. peace

Oh, I bet your neighbors love breathing in the fumes from your tire/garbage eating lava rock stove.

 

[ScotO]

Alex, while this is an interesting concept, it's still not "perfection" as you claim it to be.......I don't see anything monitoring the temperature on your stove in your demonstration (no flue probe, no firebox probe, etc.). Hard to say that this stove is ultra efficient when we don't even have any idea what temperature it is running at in your video. Throwing 6 dozen eggs, in any fire, is going to throw the temperature in the dirt.

Then you have the by-product problem, with burning those tires and such......you realize when you burn plastic/tires etc, that you are releasing dioxin into the air, whether you see it or not, and that has been proven to be one of the most cancerous poisons known to man......very very bad stuff.

I like the fact that someone can experiment and try things out, no one is bashing you for that. But to say that throwing 6 dozen eggs in a fire with lava rocks (I'm assuming they are on a grate ABOVE the fire) is putting out efficient heat? I don't buy that. I'd have to see honest temperature readings from both the firebox and the flue........and I can guarantee you they will not be very high, because water doesn't burn.....

 

[tbuff]

It is a very interesting concept, but seems to be a bit unsafe how it is installed and operated. I'd at least take the towel and clothes that are hanging 2 inches away from it down and put up some real wall protection.

 

[tbuff]

Fresh split and stacked from Sandy blow down 24%. (yes it was resplit for this test)

I actually thought that locust seems to season a little quicker also compared to oak or other hard woods. I think most of the locust I have was standing dead before it blew down.

 

[ScotO]

It is a very interesting concept, but seems to be a bit unsafe how it is installed and operated. I'd at least take the towel and clothes that are hanging 2 inches away from it down and put up some real wall protection.

If you look at the flue where the gasses come out, there is no real 'pressure' from exiting heat or gasses.....just whispy smoke. Which indicates that the fire isn't stoking or putting out any heat whatsoever. As I said in my last post, if he put some real temp probes on that stove and in that flue, you'd see it isn't making any real heat at all......until he opens the door and oxygen hits that garbage in the firebox....

 

[fabsroman]

Yep, I would really be interested in some scientific data/testing. Have not looked at the videos, but from what I am reading they aren't very scientific at all. Temp readings would be nice. An infrared video would be awesome too if it could possibly show the difference in extreme temps. The data from smoke readings in the flue would be nice too. I am intrigued by the concept, but want to see the data.

Cold fusion is intriguing too.

Burning tires efficiently for electrical power:
(broken link removed to http://www.alternet.org/story/90943/burning_tires_for_power%3Areen_energy_or_health_hazard)

I have heard of cement companies burning tires. Even saw a segment on Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe about how the junk tires are cut up into very small chunks for this very purpose. It would be really cool if they could take all these tires we go through and do something useful with them. Can only imagine how many old tires are sitting out there.

 

[alex johnson]

Alex, while this is an interesting concept, it's still not "perfection" as you claim it to be.......I don't see anything monitoring the temperature on your stove in your demonstration (no flue probe, no firebox probe, etc.). Hard to say that this stove is ultra efficient when we don't even have any idea what temperature it is running at in your video. Throwing 6 dozen eggs, in any fire, is going to throw the temperature in the dirt.

Then you have the by-product problem, with burning those tires and such......you realize when you burn plastic/tires etc, that you are releasing dioxin into the air, whether you see it or not, and that has been proven to be one of the most cancerous poisons known to man......very very bad stuff.

I like the fact that someone can experiment and try things out, no one is bashing you for that. But to say that throwing 6 dozen eggs in a fire with lava rocks (I'm assuming they are on a grate ABOVE the fire) is putting out efficient heat? I don't buy that. I'd have to see honest temperature readings from both the firebox and the flue........and I can guarantee you they will not be very high, because water doesn't burn.....

I have 44 videos I just posted one yesterday with temps. Dioxins and furans, burn at temps above 1800 f. i am burning them. So, you have seen that video, burning tires and trash? That stove has been modified for a catalyitc stove thermometer. The only thing that should not be burnt is chlorinated plastics. I have learned alot, dioxins and fruans from plastic burn at temps at and above 1800f, please look it up find out, knowledge is power!! Can you explain to me why when you open the door smoke rolls out, and when you close it no smoke comes from the flue? A lava rock filter does it, believe oit or not. I have probably 400 videos on my computer and on flash drives, I like, the fact that you brought up the dioxins and furans, Good day. Alex the ate up bonehead.

 

[alex johnson]

Yep, I would really be interested in some scientific data/testing. Have not looked at the videos, but from what I am reading they aren't very scientific at all. Temp readings would be nice. An infrared video would be awesome too if it could possibly show the difference in extreme temps. The data from smoke readings in the flue would be nice too. I am intrigued by the concept, but want to see the data.

Cold fusion is intriguing too.

Burning tires efficiently for electrical power:
(broken link removed to http://www.alternet.org/story/90943/burning_tires_for_power%3Areen_energy_or_health_hazard)

I have heard of cement companies burning tires. Even saw a segment on Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe about how the junk tires are cut up into very small chunks for this very purpose. It would be really cool if they could take all these tires we go through and do something useful with them. Can only imagine how many old tires are sitting out there.

There are more than we can think of, the fact that they grind these tires up and put them on playgrounds, and then they scatter. My daughters school, has a playground with them as a cushion, but there everywhere, little pieces of tire everywhere. There is a gentleman that grinds tires into the little chunks, he says that some of the tires get burnt, for cement, coal fired plants, but the rest he said that ther eis a old quarry over in kansas that there throwing them into it, putting a couple feet of dirt, then another layer. an so on. He said they are doing it like this just in case in the future we can go and uncover it. oh well.

 

[alex johnson]

Yep, I would really be interested in some scientific data/testing. Have not looked at the videos, but from what I am reading they aren't very scientific at all. Temp readings would be nice. An infrared video would be awesome too if it could possibly show the difference in extreme temps. The data from smoke readings in the flue would be nice too. I am intrigued by the concept, but want to see the data.

Cold fusion is intriguing too.

Burning tires efficiently for electrical power:
(broken link removed to http://www.alternet.org/story/90943/burning_tires_for_power%3Areen_energy_or_health_hazard)

I have heard of cement companies burning tires. Even saw a segment on Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe about how the junk tires are cut up into very small chunks for this very purpose. It would be really cool if they could take all these tires we go through and do something useful with them. Can only imagine how many old tires are sitting out there.

I am in the process of getting more testing done, here this is the company AEROMET, they are a stack testing company out of Jefferson City Missouri, I have done more research, I'm trying, One day my friends, my concepts will save everybody money on there electrical bill. OOne day when i can afford a ir thermometer, I want to. My stoves burn clean, because of the lava rocks. Cold fusion, never looked into it? 10000 dollars for the test, already got a quote.

 

[alex johnson]

If you look at the flue where the gasses come out, there is no real 'pressure' from exiting heat or gasses.....just whispy smoke. Which indicates that the fire isn't stoking or putting out any heat whatsoever. As I said in my last post, if he put some real temp probes on that stove and in that flue, you'd see it isn't making any real heat at all......until he opens the door and oxygen hits that garbage in the firebox....

I got ya'll thinkin that was my goal, I have videos with theremometers please look. you will be impressed.

 

[alex johnson]

If you look at the flue where the gasses come out, there is no real 'pressure' from exiting heat or gasses.....just whispy smoke. Which indicates that the fire isn't stoking or putting out any heat whatsoever. As I said in my last post, if he put some real temp probes on that stove and in that flue, you'd see it isn't making any real heat at all......until he opens the door and oxygen hits that garbage in the firebox....

If you do it right there should be no pressure, as in smoke rolling out. Equlibrium, of the internal fire. That is a waste of wood to let the flue gases roll out. Just plain wasteful! Alex

 

[alex johnson]

It is a very interesting concept, but seems to be a bit unsafe how it is installed and operated. I'd at least take the towel and clothes that are hanging 2 inches away from it down and put up some real wall protection.

At first, i wood not put up the clothes then i became comfortable, if you look there is a piece of hardy backer that seperates the wall from the heat, with a ari gap behind it to keep the backside with air movement. I will never build a square stove, why do you say that. Round, there are no corners. Square, there are corners and then there are flat spots that are probably warped. It is harder for the heat to penetrate the corner, than the flat spot. Round, there are no corners, there are no flat spots. The heat radiates EVENLY, and internally the heat is reflected evenly back. More efficient, than square. That stoves name is CeCelia, after my grandmother. I have tried to over heat it, and at burn the outside paint off but I havent. The Lava Rocks absorb, and can handle the heat and then radiate it back into the room. I have a video were there are no coals inside but, the top of it si still hot enough to not be able to keep your hand on it. Believe it or not. I have been experimenting for the last 4 years, with lavas rocks. I just finally got the provisional patent, one day my friends. Peace Alex. Ps, everybody got carried away, it's only locust that I will burn green.

 

[fabsroman]

At first, i wood not put up the clothes then i became comfortable, if you look there is a piece of hardy backer that seperates the wall from the heat, with a ari gap behind it to keep the backside with air movement. I will never build a square stove, why do you say that. Round, there are no corners. Square, there are corners and then there are flat spots that are probably warped. It is harder for the heat to penetrate the corner, than the flat spot. Round, there are no corners, there are no flat spots. The heat radiates EVENLY, and internally the heat is reflected evenly back. More efficient, than square. That stoves name is CeCelia, after my grandmother. I have tried to over heat it, and at burn the outside paint off but I havent. The Lava Rocks absorb, and can handle the heat and then radiate it back into the room. I have a video were there are no coals inside but, the top of it si still hot enough to not be able to keep your hand on it. Believe it or not. I have been experimenting for the last 4 years, with lavas rocks. I just finally got the provisional patent, one day my friends. Peace Alex. Ps, everybody got carried away, it's only locust that I will burn green.

Can you post some links to the videos? I would like to take a look at them. You might want to think about starting a webpage about this, looking for some venture capital, and seeing if this goes anywhere. It sucks to have somebody else profit from your idea (e.g., venture capitalists or partners), but it sucks even more never to be able to even give your idea a good run because you cannot afford to test it, produce it, and then market it.

 

[swagler85]

At first, i wood not put up the clothes then i became comfortable, if you look there is a piece of hardy backer that seperates the wall from the heat, with a ari gap behind it to keep the backside with air movement. I will never build a square stove, why do you say that. Round, there are no corners. Square, there are corners and then there are flat spots that are probably warped. It is harder for the heat to penetrate the corner, than the flat spot. Round, there are no corners, there are no flat spots. The heat radiates EVENLY, and internally the heat is reflected evenly back. More efficient, than square. That stoves name is CeCelia, after my grandmother. I have tried to over heat it, and at burn the outside paint off but I havent. The Lava Rocks absorb, and can handle the heat and then radiate it back into the room. I have a video were there are no coals inside but, the top of it si still hot enough to not be able to keep your hand on it. Believe it or not. I have been experimenting for the last 4 years, with lavas rocks. I just finally got the provisional patent, one day my friends. Peace Alex. Ps, everybody got carried away, it's only locust that I will burn green.

Why not combine your idea with an efficient stove? You could burn dry wood getting longer burn times and increase heat. Also what kind of burn times are you getting with your stove?

 

[ScotO]

If you do it right there should be no pressure, as in smoke rolling out. Equlibrium, of the internal fire. That is a waste of wood to let the flue gases roll out. Just plain wasteful! Alex

No, actually you need to understand that combustion needs three things.....ingnition, oxygen, and fuel.....
When you have those three things come together, you will get by-products (ash and carbon monoxide), so you definately need some sort of exhaust. Not smoke, but carbon monoxide needs to exit the flue. It will do so and create pressure up the flue (draw), which shows an efficient burn. Your vids have very little pressure at the stacktop......then when you open the door of the stove, it bursts into flames. That thing is choked down, you can tell by the stacktop.

One of the reasons I don't think you'll ever sell the idea to the major stove manufacturers.......but maybe I'll try making a rack for my Napoleon to put lava rocks in where the baffles are located to see if it helps in digesting the smoke and creating more heat.

Don't misunderstand me, Alex. I'm not here to bash you. You've piqued my curiousity, but you also have to understand we have to be skeptical.......
Opinions (which is what your stove ideas are at this time until proven by a qualified testing facility) are like assholes.......EVERYBODY has one!

 

[fabsroman]

No, actually you need to understand that combustion needs three things.....ingnition, oxygen, and fuel.....
When you have those three things come together, you will get by-products (ash and carbon monoxide), so you definately need some sort of exhaust. Not smoke, but carbon monoxide needs to exit the flue. It will do so and create pressure up the flue (draw), which shows an efficient burn. Your vids have very little pressure at the stacktop......then when you open the door of the stove, it bursts into flames. That thing is choked down, you can tell by the stacktop.

One of the reasons I don't think you'll ever sell the idea to the major stove manufacturers.......but maybe I'll try making a rack for my Napoleon to put lava rocks in where the baffles are located to see if it helps in digesting the smoke and creating more heat.

Don't misunderstand me, Alex. I'm not here to bash you. You've piqued my curiousity, but you also have to understand we have to be skeptical.......
Opinions (which is what your stove ideas are at this time until proven by a qualified testing facility) are like assholes.......EVERYBODY has one!

Nah, opinions are worse. Some people have MORE than one opinion. Don't know of anybody with more than one of those holes in their rear.

I too am intrigued by this lava rock idea, but I would really have to see some hard numbers on it. Something I don't think the OP is in a position to accomplish at this time.

As far as the byproducts of combustion are concerned, Alex is correct. With PERFECT combustion, the byproducts are heat, light, and water.

With hydrogen and oxygen being the only two fuels present, you get complete combustion where the only byproduct is heat, light, and water. Problem is it is really, really, really hard to get just hydrogen and oxygen in the burn.



Complete combustion is almost impossible to achieve. In reality, as actual combustion reactions come to equilibrium, a wide variety of major and minor species will be present such as carbon monoxide and pure carbon (soot or ash). Additionally, any combustion in atmospheric air, which is 78 percent nitrogen, will also create several forms of nitrogen oxides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion

 

[Paulywalnut]

If it is a green tree 2 or 3 yrs, But a dead one well thats a different story, deepends.

I just cut up a good sized locust branch that had been hanging over a small creek for at least 10 years.
No bark, I cut a 17" piece out of the center, 17% moisture. It had a brown hue to it not yellowish. Got 12 17" pieces

 

[alex johnson]

Can you post some links to the videos? I would like to take a look at them. You might want to think about starting a webpage about this, looking for some venture capital, and seeing if this goes anywhere. It sucks to have somebody else profit from your idea (e.g., venture capitalists or partners), but it sucks even more never to be able to even give your idea a good run because you cannot afford to test it, produce it, and then market it.

Thanks, um posting a video on here, I can try

 

[alex johnson]

Can you post some links to the videos? I would like to take a look at them. You might want to think about starting a webpage about this, looking for some venture capital, and seeing if this goes anywhere. It sucks to have somebody else profit from your idea (e.g., venture capitalists or partners), but it sucks even more never to be able to even give your idea a good run because you cannot afford to test it, produce it, and then market it.

Hey, I am not smart enough to post it here. ON youtube, type in McGuire Stoves, that will bring you to all 44 videos, as for the investment, as in V.C.. I have been putting together a video for KICKStarter, a crowd funding platform, but hell yes testing is crazy, stealing my idea, I have a provisional patent, that should protect me. The main thing for me is the Coal fired power plants. Period. I know that I can bring them up in efficiency. The world as a whole mines 4.6 billion tons a year.

 

[alex johnson]

Why not combine your idea with an efficient stove? You could burn dry wood getting longer burn times and increase heat. Also what kind of burn times are you getting with your stove?

Not trying to sound stupid, but my stoves are really efficient, I am taking a video of today, burn 9 to 10 hours. I built a fireplace insert that had 24 hour burn times, it was 28 inches deep by 23 wide by 23 tall. its on youtube, It went to the state of oregon. He say that it puts to much heat out.

 

[Shane N]

I'm waiting for the Rick Roll link.

 

[alex johnson]

No, actually you need to understand that combustion needs three things.....ingnition, oxygen, and fuel.....
When you have those three things come together, you will get by-products (ash and carbon monoxide), so you definately need some sort of exhaust. Not smoke, but carbon monoxide needs to exit the flue. It will do so and create pressure up the flue (draw), which shows an efficient burn. Your vids have very little pressure at the stacktop......then when you open the door of the stove, it bursts into flames. That thing is choked down, you can tell by the stacktop.

One of the reasons I don't think you'll ever sell the idea to the major stove manufacturers.......but maybe I'll try making a rack for my Napoleon to put lava rocks in where the baffles are located to see if it helps in digesting the smoke and creating more heat.

Don't misunderstand me, Alex. I'm not here to bash you. You've piqued my curiousity, but you also have to understand we have to be skeptical.......
Opinions (which is what your stove ideas are at this time until proven by a qualified testing facility) are like assholes.......EVERYBODY has one!

Your correct, but I have already had interest. The reason it burst in to flame is because its airtight, in 2015 epa is tightening its restrictions. You will see lava rock stoves come to be, after you try to get your napoleon going with rocks, have patience. if you have questions ask and I can help if you choose to.

 

[alex johnson]

Nah, opinions are worse. Some people have MORE than one opinion. Don't know of anybody with more than one of those holes in their rear.

I too am intrigued by this lava rock idea, but I would really have to see some hard numbers on it. Something I don't think the OP is in a position to accomplish at this time.

As far as the byproducts of combustion are concerned, Alex is correct. With PERFECT combustion, the byproducts are heat, light, and water.

With hydrogen and oxygen being the only two fuels present, you get complete combustion where the only byproduct is heat, light, and water. Problem is it is really, really, really hard to get just hydrogen and oxygen in the burn.



Complete combustion is almost impossible to achieve. In reality, as actual combustion reactions come to equilibrium, a wide variety of major and minor species will be present such as carbon monoxide and pure carbon (soot or ash). Additionally, any combustion in atmosphericair, which is 78 percent nitrogen, will also create several forms of nitrogen oxides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion

your correct, yes I can not split the molecule into single atoms, but i have burnt all the volatiles, and at the end I have complete combustion. I seen the IR graph, and they pointed it out. I have a big hill to climb I know this, totally new concept. Even for the electrical company, but when I go in there and have everbodies attention from the word go, than I know my hill is getting smaller. You are correct, super hard to get the h20 to spilt, and then burn. I am not saying that I am doing that in no ways shape or form expressed or implied.