Take me to school...I need some learnin'

[begreen]

I'm not trying to know anything more than my distibutor can supply me with, which is Enviro. Problems with these...obviously they aren't going to tell what the problems are. Maybe we can start there.

Enviro makes solid stoves. They are conventional secondary tube design and well made. Their Boston line of freestanding stoves are like the PE Alderleas and Jotul F45/50/55. That is a fine steel stove with a cast iron jacket. Other good stove lines are Quadrafire, Country (Lennox), Kuma, Hampton (Regency deluxe), Osburn, Napoleon.

 

[stovelark]

Scott, most steel stoves are easy to start and run, cannot lose with Quad, PE, Country (Now Lennox) Napoleon and my favorite is Enviro. The best value out there in the higher rung of steel stoves. Their cast line, is cast over steel (hybrids) and kinda pricey. Two burn engines in all the lines 1200 and 1700. The Cabello is pretty but depth restrictions espec the 1700. Like BG, the PE and Enviro cast side are pretty for the enamel folks out there, but their non-cat, FS wood stoves are great to sale and service. Simple to clean as well, just taking the blower off the side of their inserts will be (no prob for you, you know their pellet line already) an adjustment, two star screws behind the surround. But easy to clean and service. Good luck.

 

[smwilliamson]

Scott, most steel stoves are easy to start and run, cannot lose with Quad, PE, Country (Now Lennox) Napoleon and my favorite is Enviro. The best value out there in the higher rung of steel stoves. Their cast line, is cast over steel (hybrids) and kinda pricey. Two burn engines in all the lines 1200 and 1700. The Cabello is pretty but depth restrictions espec the 1700. Like BG, the PE and Enviro cast side are pretty for the enamel folks out there, but their non-cat, FS wood stoves are great to sale and service. Simple to clean as well, just taking the blower off the side of their inserts will be (no prob for you, you know their pellet line already) an adjustment, two star screws behind the surround. But easy to clean and service. Good luck.

Thanks. I heard the Boston decent stove, just do not have much to compare it to. I install a Jotul F600 last year for a few people (used stoves), thought they were really nice but not a whole lot of draft in them even though we has a 45' chimney, straight up, no turns and 5 feet above the roof line, go figure.

 

[Ashful]

I install a Jotul F600 last year for a few people (used stoves), thought they were really nice but not a whole lot of draft in them even though we has a 45' chimney, straight up, no turns and 5 feet above the roof line, go figure.

That's very odd. That much chimney is typically a recipe for over-fire / run-away stove conditions in a non-cat EPA stove. What type of chimney?

 

[smwilliamson]

That's very odd. That much chimney is typically a recipe for over-fire / run-away stove conditions in a non-cat EPA stove. What type of chimney?

Duravent 6" class A though I may be judging it from a pellet head point of view..

 

[Ashful]

"Ideal" for a wood stove is most often quoted as insulated or class-A, roughly 20 to 35 feet. If you have much less than 20 feet, draft can be too weak for many stoves, particularly slow-burning cat stoves (see back puffing) and downdraft stoves (see "neverburn"). More than 35 feet of chimney is sometimes blamed for overheating catalytic combusters, or run-away conditions in non-cats.

 

[blades]

The first fire I ever made in an insert wasthe Lopi Freedom. I think I have witnessed 100,000 firings of a pellet stove, but this wood stove thing......like I was a kid in a candy store! I was like wow! This is so frickin cool...you get to put the sticks in here anyway you want to...and I changed my mind half-way through and started over building the starting pile differently... and play with matches and news paper! Which way do you crumple it and tear it and stuff it in?...this fire building thing is awesome! And it's so quiet!

Yep until the freight train starts rumbling from that cord of "seasoned " wood you bought 2 weeks ago.

 

[blades]

Best thing you can do for your customers is educate them on what seasoned wood really is ( your self also) as fully 80% of problems are directly related to improper fuel supply.

 

[BrotherBart]

Scott I see you know as much about wood stoves as a lot of dealers out there.

 

[begreen]

Duravent 6" class A though I may be judging it from a pellet head point of view..

There is little in common with a pellet stove except that they both make heat and have smoke coming out of a pipe. You might want to revisit those folks and see how the stove is doing. With dry wood they could be in an overfire setup. 45 ft is about 15 ft greater than the mfg. recommends.

 

[bag of hammers]

we has a 45' chimney, straight up, no turns and 5 feet above the roof line,

I'm on the low end of what Joful stated (20 - 35 ft) - just under 20 feet straight up with a bit under 5 ft above the roofline, and it drafts beautifully (maybe 1 or 2 exceptions in the last few years). Every stove / situation is different, but 45 straight up seems like it would almost need a damper if the wood is good...?

 

[smwilliamson]

There is little in common with a pellet stove except that they both make heat and have smoke coming out of a pipe. You might want to revisit those folks and see how the stove is doing. With dry wood they could be in an overfire setup. 45 ft is about 15 ft greater than the mfg. recommends.

I called them today and they couldn't be happier...so I guess everything is alright, perhaps their wood was green the day of the install.

 

[begreen]

That's good, I guess. Athough if green wood was the case my concern would be what happens when they burn dry wood. Are there some 90 degree turns in the smoke path? A key damper in the flue pipe? Both will help decrease draft. They should also have a thermometer on the stove top and they should get the chimney cleaned. It would be interesting to know what comes out. 45 ft of pipe will cool down smoke a lot.

 

[smwilliamson]

check and double check. Yes key damper is there, two 90's then straight up

 

[Ashful]

Yes key damper is there,...

That's the "key" element. Without a damper, that tall flue would be a little rambunctious. It is tamed by the damper.