Stove for 700sqf home

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When compared to a cat stove without a cat installed, a pre-epa stove, or a non cat burning unseasoned wood, they are really close.
Well... yes, you got me there! ;lol

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That's a fallacy. Friends have been heating solely with a big Summit in a 1600 sq ft home for the past 7 yrs. They rarely open a window and they don't like a particularly hot house.

I bet they don't burn 8 hour fires on 50 degree days.

I could heat 700sf with a Fischer Papa Bear without opening windows.... but why would I want to light all those small fires when I can get a stove that actually burns straight through? Especially if I was asking for a stove that did long burns in a small area?

You are saying that it's possible to heat a small area with a large stove that doesn't even have a thermostat (agreed), but you're implying that it's doing the same job as the BK. It's not; the operator is doing that part.

If you place no value on the time spent, or if your stove is "supplemental heat" for your main heater, then likely those two things are equivalent. If you want a stove that does long burns as the OP specified at any time of year, then they are not at all the same.
 
I bet they don't burn 8 hour fires on 50 degree days.

I could heat 700sf with a Fischer Papa Bear without opening windows.... but why would I want to light all those small fires when I can get a stove that actually burns straight through? Especially if I was asking for a stove that did long burns in a small area?

You are saying that it's possible to heat a small area with a large stove that doesn't even have a thermostat (agreed), but you're implying that it's doing the same job as the BK. It's not; the operator is doing that part.

If you place no value on the time spent, or if your stove is "supplemental heat" for your main heater, then likely those two things are equivalent. If you want a stove that does long burns as the OP specified at any time of year, then they are not at all the same.

For me eight hours of extra low heat output are equal to an hour or two of high heat output at night and/or in the morning. My wife likes to boil her water with the electric range set to "7" but my preference is "hi", the same amount of energy is being used.
 
How are your options for the BK stoves limited? Sounds like the dealer doesn't want to make any money from you.


I'll agree with this! The draw for cat stoves is that they burn for long times on low.

Not all dealers are knowledgeable. Do your own homework.
 
I bet they don't burn 8 hour fires on 50 degree days.

I could heat 700sf with a Fischer Papa Bear without opening windows.... but why would I want to light all those small fires when I can get a stove that actually burns straight through? Especially if I was asking for a stove that did long burns in a small area?

You are saying that it's possible to heat a small area with a large stove that doesn't even have a thermostat (agreed), but you're implying that it's doing the same job as the BK. It's not; the operator is doing that part.

If you place no value on the time spent, or if your stove is "supplemental heat" for your main heater, then likely those two things are equivalent. If you want a stove that does long burns as the OP specified at any time of year, then they are not at all the same.
No, not at all. I didn't say anything about how they burn or manage the stove. Nor am I implying anything other than rebutting the claim that a non-cat in mild weather will force one to open windows. There is no need for a long burn, especially in a decently insulated space. A shot of heat in the morning can often last all day, especially if the house has good solar gain.
 
For me eight hours of extra low heat output are equal to an hour or two of high heat output at night and/or in the morning. My wife likes to boil her water with the electric range set to "7" but my preference is "hi", the same amount of energy is being used.

The breakdown in this analogy is that it takes a second to turn the stove on to either setting.

Setting two or three small fires a day in an old stove takes time. Throwing a load of wood into a low-burning Princess every 24 hours takes less than a minute (well, probably 15 minutes if you do exactly what the manual says, less than a minute for me).

Also, your electric stove has the same efficiency on both settings. Most stoves do not. (The BK actually does better on the low setting.)

I've done it both ways and they both work; I just have a strong preference for the lazy low-heat method after several years with the BK. :)
 
The official EPA list of wood and pellet stoves shows EPA-certified stoves with emission rates from 0.22 grams per hour up to 4.5 grams per hour, a range of more than 20:1.

Likewise, the same list shows efficiencies ranging from 58 to 87 percent... not what I'd call that close!
Yes there are some extremely low on the list. But the majority of the stoves out there are pretty close.

As far as buildup. I saw easily twice if not 3 times the buildup with the bk over the regency. I really was not that impressed. Yes the even heat was nice but for me not worth the downsides.
 
The breakdown in this analogy is that it takes a second to turn the stove on to either setting.

Setting two or three small fires a day in an old stove takes time. Throwing a load of wood into a low-burning Princess every 24 hours takes less than a minute (well, probably 15 minutes if you do exactly what the manual says, less than a minute for me).

Also, your electric stove has the same efficiency on both settings. Most stoves do not. (The BK actually does better on the low setting.)

I've done it both ways and they both work; I just have a strong preference for the lazy low-heat method after several years with the BK. :)
I found burning low full time during the shoulder season used a lot more wood than the one or two small fires a day I did with the non cat.
 
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Maybe I should adjust my expectations lol

We grew up burning wood, my dad still burns wood and now I want to because I have access to 50 acres of maple and dead ash. I currently use a pellet stove and it works great but pellets are not free. Now the wood is and just a bit of gas, oil and time and I have heat. I have lots of time as I'm jobless now. Lots of people don't think we get the bad winters we describe here in northern michigan. We start heating in September and go till june sometimes. Our temps range from 100 to -40 and we get 150~200" of the white stuff. Our stoves growing up where the big boilers inside and the outside boilers so the smaller stoves I'm just not accustomed to.
 
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Maybe I should adjust my expectations lol

We grew up burning wood, my dad still burns wood and now I want to because I have access to 50 acres of maple and dead ash. I currently use a pellet stove and it works great but pellets are not free. Now the wood is and just a bit of gas, oil and time and I have heat. I have lots of time as I'm jobless now. Lots of people don't think we get the bad winters we describe here in northern michigan. We start heating in September and go till june sometimes. Our temps range from 100 to -40 and we get 150~200" of the white stuff. Our stoves growing up where the big boilers inside and the outside boilers so the smaller stoves I'm just not accustomed to.
I think any of the blazekings would work well for you
 
I found burning low full time during the shoulder season used allot more wood than the one or two small fires a day I did with the non cat.
Any other supplemental heating?maybe for you work that way but I prefer to comeback to a warm house. Lighting two to three fires a day take some time. Bring everything to temp and always having part of the house super hot compare to more even heat. About saving more wood burning that way, well, is hard to tell. Takes time to the stove to get to temp and start heating the house again. I don't know but for me is better cook slow all day and comeback to warm house or acceptable house temp. No supplemental heating here.
 
Bring everything to temp and always having part of the house super hot compare to more even heat.
Again, this simply is not so, at least not with a cast iron jacketed stove. We just don't see these alleged temp swings. We did get a bit more temp swing with the more radiant F400, but never to something I would call super hot. Of course, this is going to vary with the home construction, size, floorplan and outside temps, but wide temp swings are not a given. That said, if one is away from the home for 12hrs or more then yes, the longer burntime is a real benefit.
 
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Any other supplemental heating?maybe for you work that way but I prefer to comeback to a warm house. Lighting two to three fires a day take some time. Bring everything to temp and always having part of the house super hot compare to more even heat. About saving more wood burning that way, well, is hard to tell. Takes time to the stove to get to temp and start heating the house again. I don't know but for me is better cook slow all day and comeback to warm house or acceptable house temp. No supplemental heating here.
That is what is better for you. I don't come home to a cold house at all. Depending on the temps I will usually have a fire in the evening. Sometimes one in the morning. Takes me maybe 5 mins to load and light. Go about doing other stuff till the temp gets up usually 10 mins or so then I shut it back. So one fire a day is like 6 mins 2 would be not quite double that because there would probably be coals from the previous fire.

I get it you like your bk as many others do. And in this case I think it would be a good fit. But that doesn't mean it is right for everyone.
 
You can tell it's mid-summer. We go thru this every year. ;lol

We need to get some cold weather, so we can get these porch dogs busy with their stoves, instead of bickering over cat vs. non-cat!

So... anyone got good plans for this weekend?
 
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Happens year round Ash. Note that the latest cat v non-cat thread was from January.
 
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That is what is better for you. I don't come home to a cold house at all. Depending on the temps I will usually have a fire in the evening. Sometimes one in the morning. Takes me maybe 5 mins to load and light. Go about doing other stuff till the temp gets up usually 10 mins or so then I shut it back. So one fire a day is like 6 mins 2 would be not quite double that because there would probably be coals from the previous fire.

I get it you like your bk as many others do. And in this case I think it would be a good fit. But that doesn't mean it is right for everyone.
I get it and not trying to create any argument about but based you mentioned small loads, I was assuming that was nothing in there by the time you come back 12 or more hrs later. If the house has good heat retention and the weather is not that bad I understand cause is not like I never do small loads. Sometimes I do it to take the chill over night cause I know next day will be warm .ad no needs to run full load. As @begreen said the type of stoves can make the differences.
 
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You can tell it's mid-summer. We go thru this every year. ;lol

We need to get some cold weather, so we can get these porch dogs busy with their stoves, instead of bickering over cat vs. non-cat!

So... anyone got good plans for this weekend?
I am in the finger lakes this week. Coming home sat. So no good weekend plans
 
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I get it and not trying to create any argument about but based you mentioned small loads, I was assuming that was nothing in there by the time you come back 12 or more hrs later. If the house has good heat retention and the weather is not that bad I understand cause is not like I never do small loads. Sometimes I do it to take the chill over night cause I know next day will be warm .ad no needs to run full load. As @begreen said the type of stoves can make the differences.
Even with a 1/2 load I will still have coals to restart after 12 hours.
 
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I dont think that would be hard to heat with either a cat or non cat.
 
Do you think a larger sized unit like a Heco 520 or similar could keep up? I wouldn't be surprised if you are right.
There are ones that can keep up. But that doesn't mean they are great heaters
 
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