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I might point out that we b!tch about the failings of this style unit. And when we improve certain features there will no doubt be some unforseen side affects. But the reality is, the users know there are some definite advantages of the mass-refractory natural draft units
1)Refractory retains heat which drys wood and speeds relighting
2)Refractory temps do NOT allow creosote in combustion chamber
Innovation shall not be detered!! :smirk:[/quote]
My beef is not so much the failings of the unit but the failing of the manufacturer to build them with materials sufficient to withstand a few seasons without rebuilding them, I.E. --the seemingly recurrent theme of rotting skins. I would have been one to "test" mine with SS skins if I had not had the nuclear meltdown and my water tubes had not sagged in the middle. After this I really did not trust it to get me through the winter. If my memory serves me right didn't Sparke have a stainless skinned Greenfire? I don't remember him posting any problems he had with it. Probably so few of those sold we'll not hear from anyone, but it would be interesting to hear from them. I've said it before and I'll say it again--good solid design with the right build materials but it is beyond me how the manufacturers could not forsee/have any of the same problems posters here have had without ANY amount of testing.
1) & 2)--Agreed-Believe me I know--The ChernoAdobe Incident--T&P gauge--temp needle is in the press. side :bug: ,the garage smells of steam and really hot stuff. I open the door and it looks like I am looking into the middle of the sun :coolhmm: . The refractory and water vessel were glowing molten orange. Needless to say I did not have any creosote on those water tubes after that!! :-S
I might point out that we b!tch about the failings of this style unit. And when we improve certain features there will no doubt be some unforseen side affects. But the reality is, the users know there are some definite advantages of the mass-refractory natural draft units
1)Refractory retains heat which drys wood and speeds relighting
2)Refractory temps do NOT allow creosote in combustion chamber
Innovation shall not be detered!! :smirk:[/quote]
My beef is not so much the failings of the unit but the failing of the manufacturer to build them with materials sufficient to withstand a few seasons without rebuilding them, I.E. --the seemingly recurrent theme of rotting skins. I would have been one to "test" mine with SS skins if I had not had the nuclear meltdown and my water tubes had not sagged in the middle. After this I really did not trust it to get me through the winter. If my memory serves me right didn't Sparke have a stainless skinned Greenfire? I don't remember him posting any problems he had with it. Probably so few of those sold we'll not hear from anyone, but it would be interesting to hear from them. I've said it before and I'll say it again--good solid design with the right build materials but it is beyond me how the manufacturers could not forsee/have any of the same problems posters here have had without ANY amount of testing.
1) & 2)--Agreed-Believe me I know--The ChernoAdobe Incident--T&P gauge--temp needle is in the press. side :bug: ,the garage smells of steam and really hot stuff. I open the door and it looks like I am looking into the middle of the sun :coolhmm: . The refractory and water vessel were glowing molten orange. Needless to say I did not have any creosote on those water tubes after that!! :-S