Registration of wood stoves.
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SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
They look at remote areas because the only air contamination is from wood smoke. There are no Teflon plants or steel mills in remote Alaska or Maine.
Bad LP
Minister of Fire
Ya. My point was I’m Slightly more concerned about general air pollution than a little wood smoke on the edge of nowhere.
Yes but by studying it where there is little other air pollution it gives them clearer data on just wood burning
Easy Livin’ 3000
Minister of Fire
It's ironic that the word "control" has popped up here several times. It was the right word, but the wrong meaning of the word.
Brilliant.
Anyone familiar with the "tragedy of the commons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons ? In the case of a local region with degraded air quality, the commons is the air. Everyone is contributing to it but no one wants to fix it as its lot easier to just blame someone else. Thus government gets to step in and figure it out. In this case registration is the first step in trying to figure out if there are low hanging fruit to improve air quality. Frequently it comes down to just a few bad apples are making the bulk of the pollution.
There is off the shelf technology that could easily pick up every operating woodburning appliance in a particular area on cold day. Just fly over an area snap a thermal image on a cold day and all the major heat sources will pop up. Then just screen for a certain temperature range and that would get pretty close to identifying the wood burners. From there there are laser based devices that can estimate emissions from a stack from a distance. No need to go on the private property just sit ont he public road and aim. If the stack is hidden from a public road just do it from a black helicopter
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There is off the shelf technology that could easily pick up every operating woodburning appliance in a particular area on cold day. Just fly over an area snap a thermal image on a cold day and all the major heat sources will pop up. Then just screen for a certain temperature range and that would get pretty close to identifying the wood burners. From there there are laser based devices that can estimate emissions from a stack from a distance. No need to go on the private property just sit ont he public road and aim. If the stack is hidden from a public road just do it from a black helicopter
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SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
That might go over about as well as the registeryAnyone familiar with the "tragedy of the commons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons ? In the case of a local region with degraded air quality, the commons is the air. Everyone is contributing to it but no one wants to fix it as its lot easier to just blame someone else. Thus government gets to step in and figure it out. In this case registration is the first step in trying to figure out if there are low hanging fruit to improve air quality. Frequently it comes down to just a few bad apples are making the bulk of the pollution.
There is off the shelf technology that could easily pick up every operating woodburning appliance in a particular area on cold day. Just fly over an area snap a thermal image on a cold day and all the major heat sources will pop up. Then just screen for a certain temperature range and that would get pretty close to identifying the wood burners. From there there are laser based devices that can estimate emissions from a stack from a distance. No need to go on the private property just sit ont he public road and aim. If the stack is hidden from a public road just do it from a black helicopter
Easy Livin’ 3000
Minister of Fire
I expect that drones will get the same thing done at a tiny fraction of the cost. I had my first experience with this a couple of weeks ago when I stepped out the back door and heard a fan noise. I looked around for where it was coming from, and finally looked up. There it was, a drone hovering right over my house. When they saw I was looking at it, it quickly disappeared over a hill.Anyone familiar with the "tragedy of the commons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons ? In the case of a local region with degraded air quality, the commons is the air. Everyone is contributing to it but no one wants to fix it as its lot easier to just blame someone else. Thus government gets to step in and figure it out. In this case registration is the first step in trying to figure out if there are low hanging fruit to improve air quality. Frequently it comes down to just a few bad apples are making the bulk of the pollution.
There is off the shelf technology that could easily pick up every operating woodburning appliance in a particular area on cold day. Just fly over an area snap a thermal image on a cold day and all the major heat sources will pop up. Then just screen for a certain temperature range and that would get pretty close to identifying the wood burners. From there there are laser based devices that can estimate emissions from a stack from a distance. No need to go on the private property just sit ont he public road and aim. If the stack is hidden from a public road just do it from a black helicopter
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
That's creepy. I think I would be investing in a ranged weapon that didn't use explosives.
Easy Livin’ 3000
Minister of Fire
It was so creepy.
It was far enough away that it would have been hard to hit with a pellet gun, etc., at least for me. I suspect it was just a nosy neighbor with her new Christmas toy, but I have no doubt that local governments will want to use them to keep their eyes on everything.
This will be a developing area of law, which is always playing catch up with technology.
My favorite story of govt going bad was a local school administrator that was turning on the cameras on the students borrowed laptops, in the students rooms. One of the kids lit up a joint or something, while in front of the computer in their room, and the genius administrator tried to punish the kid, revealing that they were spying on the kids at home.
There will be plenty more stories like this.
I pick "black helicopters" as they line up with with the anti authoritarian bent of this thread
Because when the shtf, which it will really soon, wood heat will get you through the winter not gas, or oil, or electricity.
I can remember hearing that exact same statement around the year 2000 and further back by some Jehovah's Witnesses in the early 1980s.
And similar statements back as far as...whoa... 66 CE:
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia
There is nothing new under the sun, as usual.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
While I do agree with your message and tell many others the same thing. Disasters are real, and it does feel like the world is ending for folks in Puerto Rico and Australia.And similar statements back as far as...whoa... 66 CE:
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
There is nothing new under the sun, as usual.
I love this website. I have gained a lot of knowledge about wood stoves. I love all things wood stove related, but some of you have not the the eyes to see, or the ears too hear.
I love this web site and everything to do with wood stoves but some of you do not have the eyes too see or the ears too hear.
I agree, 100%. Disasters are real, and a big reason people in them feel as if the world is ending is because we haven't quite set up the sort of world in which we all help each other out. I don't pretend I'm an exception to this, either.
The fires in Australia are terrible. The situation in Puerto Rico is a crime; if this was instead in, say, Florida, the federal government would throw so many resources their way that it would make our heads spin. I assume it is pretty obvious why this isn't happening for PR, in spite of the fact that they are US citizens.
Just yesterday I listened to an old Radiolab episode, "Playing God" -- the segment about Katrina (from the book "Five Days at Memorial") is a good listen on the subject of disasters that border on apocalypse.
Playing God
When people are dying and you can only save some, how do you choose? What happens, what should happen, when humans are forced to play god?
www.wnycstudios.org
I kind of think the subject of this current thread, though, is something a bit different, and that's why I posted what I did. I didn't mean to minimize any real tragedies, which there are many now and in the past and in the future.
That is your perspective. Many of us feel the same way about people with your views. That is specifically why we try to keep the political discussion to a minimum here. There are many different perspectives here but that doesn't mean we shouldn't overlook those differences and help each other out.
"Thousands of area homes would need to switch to No. 1 fuel oil beginning in July 2020, which will increase costs. "
How'd you like it if the gov't told you that you had to stop burning wood and switch fuel oil, many can't afford that. Not only the cost of the furnace but the fluctuating high cost of fuel oil.
How'd you like it if the gov't told you that you had to stop burning wood and switch fuel oil, many can't afford that. Not only the cost of the furnace but the fluctuating high cost of fuel oil.
The Golden Valley Electric Association will be asked to burn No. 1 fuel oil on bad air days, while older-model wood stoves, coal-fired heaters and outdoor hydronic heaters will have until December 2024 to be removed and destroyed.
Yes, in one that the municipality will fund for those who need funding, up to $4,000.
I couldn't find anything on the alleged forced shift from wood to fuel oil, @Sodbuster -- do you have a link or other reference to support that? The reason I ask is that the borough codes includes this:
"B. The Fairbanks North Star Borough, excluding the natural gas utility, shall not in any way regulate, prohibit, curtail, ban, nor issue fines or fees associated with the sale, distribution, installation or operation of solid fuel heating appliances or any type of combustible fuels. (Ord. 2018-45 § 2, 2018; added by citizen initiative 10/25/18.) "
Ah, found it. A US News piece from May 2019 that includes the following: "The rules still require the signature of Republican Lt. Gov. Kevin Meyer in order to become law."
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I find no legislation supporting this, but perhaps I don't know where to look. Anyone?
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