Pellet Stove Sauna Test - Stove Died when shed was just above 140 Def F, what happened?

[smoke show]

Not you. Donny

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[SmokeyTheBear]

You have a good point. Please don't give them too much credit for knowing what they are doing!
Of course they have the specs they built the convection blower to. However, does the guy who sent me the email know?
No he does not! Does he know who does at Fasco? Maybe or Maybe not!

So does the Metal Fab place called Inca Metal know the specs? Possibly, If not I will go back to FASCO!

You should note that the party who answered your inquiry said he can not tell you, not that he didn't know, been around long enough to know when bull is being flung about.

 

[Defiant]

officially unsubscribed from this thread.

Why would he remove himself from his own topic?? Never mind.. Smokey came to the rescue

 

[Don2222]

Like i said i have never seen anyone do this....With that being said i have worked on alot of pellet stoves not the stove you mentioned above but alot and the control board is not water proof alot of the wires do have exposed places where they connect to certain motors etc i do not think i would want to stick a stove where it will be exposed to any water for it to chance shorting something out and maybe causing a fire......But this is just my two cents\



Shawn

Did you mean NOT causing a Fire. My stove died! LOL

Yea, it was just an idea but looks like it will not work!
If I cannot safely get the temps up to 160 - 200 Deg F then it is NO sauna stove! :-(

 

[Defiant]

Did you mean NOT causing a Fire. My stove died! LOL

Yea, it was just an idea but looks like it will not work!
If I cannot safely get the temps up to 160 - 200 Deg F then it is NO sauna stove! :-(

I did an outdoor sauna for my friend this year, we used a wood stove, huntsman. Sorry to hear about the issues I thought you were on the cusp of inventing something. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

 

[AbetterChimneynm]

I would try it would a wood stove.....Think that would be sweet find a old 100-300 dollar wood stove and there you go

 

[AbetterChimneynm]

And i was meaning a fire outside of the firebox area

 

[Don2222]

I would try it would a wood stove.....Think that would be sweet find a old 100-300 dollar wood stove and there you go

Yes, but it may take quite a while to get a Sauna Room up to 170 Deg F with just a wood stove. Then when it does get to 170, How do you stop it from rising more?

 

[heat seeker]

Throw a load of water on the stove! Oh wait, that only works with rocks…forget that idea.

 

[Pellet-King]

If you think sitting in a high heat.humidity is relaxing your out of your mind, just go outside here for that, brutal past 3 day's, you must have a desk job with a/c blowing on you

 

[AbetterChimneynm]

I am not sure how you could controll the temp but a woodstove would be the way to go imo.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Yes, but it may take quite a while to get a Sauna Room up to 170 Deg F with just a wood stove. Then when it does get to 170, How do you stop it from rising more?

Close down the draft long before that point. Only build a smudge fire (remember to clean the flue frequently when doing this). If all else fails open the windows and doors and turn in a big honking A/C unit .

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Answer and possible SOLUTION from Inca Metal ! ! !

Well, I just called Inca Metal and talked to their parts guy! A real good guy, he said that Fasco should know their motors and their specs of course but even though they are just a sheet metal shop that in their testing, they found that yes there is a Thermal Overload Circuit on these convection blowers and they found that they open up when the air around them in the back of the stove goes above 110 Degrees F!

So we discussed what I was doing in my testing and he suggested having the pellet stove outside the room and the heat exchanger tubes poking into the Sauna room or channeled into the Sauna Room !! This way, if the stove is kept in temps below 110 Deg F their should be NO problems!

Great Idea!

Any more comments!

 

[Defiant]

Hello

Answer and possible SOLUTION from Inca Metal ! ! !

Well, I just called Inca Metal and talked to their parts guy! A real good guy, he said that Fasco should know their motors and their specs of course but even though they are just a sheet metal shop that in their testing, they found that yes there is a Thermal Overload Circuit on these convection blowers and they found that they open up when the air around them in the back of the stove goes above 110 Degrees F!

So we discussed what I was doing in my testing and he suggested having the pellet stove outside the room and the heat exchanger tubes poking into the Sauna room or channeled into the Sauna Room !! This way, if the stove is kept in temps below 110 Deg F their should be NO problems!

Great Idea!

Any more comments!

Mr. Peabody is back to the 3D chalkboard.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Hello

Answer and possible SOLUTION from Inca Metal ! ! !

Well, I just called Inca Metal and talked to their parts guy! A real good guy, he said that Fasco should know their motors and their specs of course but even though they are just a sheet metal shop that in their testing, they found that yes there is a Thermal Overload Circuit on these convection blowers and they found that they open up when the air around them in the back of the stove goes above 110 Degrees F!

So we discussed what I was doing in my testing and he suggested having the pellet stove outside the room and the heat exchanger tubes poking into the Sauna room or channeled into the Sauna Room !! This way, if the stove is kept in temps below 110 Deg F their should be NO problems!

Great Idea!

Any more comments!

Your friend at Inca also is advocating a no no with the channeling routine. I guess he is not part of the certification and testing group.

 

[Don2222]

Your friend at Inca also is advocating a no no with the channeling routine. I guess he is not part of the certification and testing group.

T I T - This is True!

 

[pelletstovefires]

Hello

Answer and possible SOLUTION from Inca Metal ! ! !

Well, I just called Inca Metal and talked to their parts guy! A real good guy, he said that Fasco should know their motors and their specs of course but even though they are just a sheet metal shop that in their testing, they found that yes there is a Thermal Overload Circuit on these convection blowers and they found that they open up when the air around them in the back of the stove goes above 110 Degrees F!

So we discussed what I was doing in my testing and he suggested having the pellet stove outside the room and the heat exchanger tubes poking into the Sauna room or channeled into the Sauna Room !! This way, if the stove is kept in temps below 110 Deg F their should be NO problems!

Great Idea!

Any more comments!

Keep the stove out of the sauna, feed the warm air in - no probs

 

[Don2222]

Keep the stove out of the sauna, feed the warm air in - no probs

Thanks, I think that would work too! Just too much out of my scope right now. :-(

 

[RiddleMasterMorgon]

If you think sitting in a high heat.humidity is relaxing your out of your mind, just go outside here for that, brutal past 3 day's, you must have a desk job with a/c blowing on you

Saune usually is high temp and no humidity....the other thing is called a steam bath, bah

 

[RiddleMasterMorgon]

Thanks, I think that would work too! Just too much out of my scope right now. :-(

saw some of these on the internet (google around) - they have the air intake outside, but the box inside of course...

 

[MountainSean]

The answer is right on your blower. Class B thermally protected. Class B motors are rated to run at temperatures of up to 130 celcius or 266 Fahrenheit. You not only need to factor in the temperature of the stove and heat exchanger, but also that a motor produces it's own heat as it is running. If your room temperature was up to 140 then your blower also has limited ability to transfer the heat it is making away. If you really want to continue to use a pellet stove for a sauna then you will need to replace that class B motor with a class F or class H motor.

Check this PDF out for a lot of info on how electric motors work, theory, principles standards etc. (broken link removed to http://www.l-3.com/private/ieee/Motor%20Protection%20Principles.pdf)

 

[Don2222]

The answer is right on your blower. Class B thermally protected. Class B motors are rated to run at temperatures of up to 130 celcius or 266 Fahrenheit. You not only need to factor in the temperature of the stove and heat exchanger, but also that a motor produces it's own heat as it is running. If your room temperature was up to 140 then your blower also has limited ability to transfer the heat it is making away. If you really want to continue to use a pellet stove for a sauna then you will need to replace that class B motor with a class F or class H motor.

Check this PDF out for a lot of info on how electric motors work, theory, principles standards etc. (broken link removed to http://www.l-3.com/private/ieee/Motor%20Protection%20Principles.pdf)

Hello
Well if Class B is rated for 266 F that should be fine, I just want to go up to 200 F. Why does the overload protection trip at 110 Deg F?

There is another problem, the plastic parts in the stove start melting!

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Because the ambient air limit is 40take a really good look at those specifications.

 

[Don2222]

Because the ambient air limit is 40take a really good look at those specifications.

40 Deg C = 104 Deg F Inca Metal said their test showed the thermal over temp tripped at 110 Deg F so I agree.