NE WOOD BURNER
Minister of Fire
- Dec 30, 2012
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I am just glad my wood is drying as I evaluate my purchase. So many choices and most when you add all required items come out to the same price.
New Vigas 40 on craigslist??
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Maybe I'm wrong , but can't anyone import a boiler if they want to go threw the hassle of customs, fees etc.
maple1
Minister of Fire
Well, as I stated before; a dealer can be competitive or can try to monopolize. No rules in a free market economy. Well except for the one about supply and demand, hence the monopoly aspect. Black market, white market? Is the color of the market the determining factor? Who applies the color anyway? From my shopping experience in the gasser boiler industry the retailers here in North America are supporting the monopoly game and in my opinion they can have at it. As for the craigslist poster I have no negative opinion and wish them well. The craigslister is trying to make a buck while the others are trying to squeeze the consumer to the furthest point possible. So who is white or black or gray market?
NE WOOD BURNER
Minister of Fire
- Dec 30, 2012
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What is a simple concept for central heating has turned out to be the most frustrating purchasing experience for me.
Im learning a boat load but having trouble trying to justify this purchase in this market.
If I had a Mcmansion My fuel savings would off set the purchase price and thats a no brainer!
Im learning a boat load but having trouble trying to justify this purchase in this market.
If I had a Mcmansion My fuel savings would off set the purchase price and thats a no brainer!
Amatron,It has nothing to with which boiler is better.But being UL listed does make a differance to ins. co and state insp.
NE WOOD,cl poster is not or has never been a dealer.He does not even own the boilers.
Mike, Read the AHONA web site home page.
NE WOOD,cl poster is not or has never been a dealer.He does not even own the boilers.
Mike, Read the AHONA web site home page.
Blue t. The cl poster does not own the boilers. He can sell them for what he wants to so he can recoup the money that is owed to him from the person that does own them. There is no monoply.Any one can step up to the plate go to europe find a boiler maker who will sell to you.Then shell out all the $ for the load then shell out all the money to have them UL listed then go sell them.
Call them and ask them.
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That wasn't very helpful -- I don't think there are many other black market dealers out there.
Could be wrong though
Well you seem to have a lot of information. I thought you might know how many are floating around. Thanks for the helpful post.
Doesn't seem too hard... Apparently vigas will sell boilers to anyone with a shipping container and cash
JP11
Minister of Fire
Doesn't seem too hard... Apparently vigas will sell boilers to anyone with a shipping container and cash
I guess at this point I'd say.... Why do you care so much?
Seems like you really have a "hard on" for anything that henfruit says.. and to some extent the technology on the Vigas.
Maybe you need a hobby. I've tried to share my experiences with my boiler, and more important to me, the MAN who I bought it from.
JP
That was a joke.
I've been an equal opportunity critic of lambda controls. It's just not something I see the need for -- to each their own. I question if the gain in efficiency is worth the increased cost and maintenance. Never tried to question your experience with your boiler. As I have said before it's probably well made. And I hope that it continues to work well for you.
However, the situation with counterfeit or blackmarket or whatever you want to call it is something prospective buyers may be concerned with. I would have understood if Henfruit didn't want to comment further. But when he did I thought asking how many potentially unsupported units are out there was a legitimate question. The blackmarket boilers showing up on CL at the same time a new line of boilers is being introduced may be an unfortunate coincidence. However, when I saw that the first thing that crossed my mind was if AHONA would continue to import Vigas boilers.
There have been other brands of boilers in the past that are now no longer available here, bankrupt or otherwise unsupported. I feel it is something that potential consumers should consider and be aware of. There have been accusations and other exagerations. My personal experience with some dealers that frequent this site has been positive. Others have tried to get me to cancel my order once I ordered a boiler. I have also been told that reducing the flue size to fit a 6" chimney would be "fine" by a dealer. So I would suggest to anyone considering a boiler to do their homework and no trust everything you read here.
I am sorry if you felt I was attacking or questioning your choice of boilers.
NE WOOD BURNER
Minister of Fire
- Dec 30, 2012
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mikefrommaine:I have been searching CL for some time for a decent used unit. I have run across many similiar type of posts. There was a Portage and Main unit for sale @ a fair price new talked to local dealer and he talked bad about the persons situation. I did not buy either unit based on that. I have seen many e2300 CB. econoburn units in VT/RI. Any intelligent person can read between the lines and see that a new unit of any type placed on craigslist by owner when they are in fact a dealer is potentially sketchy. Now on the other hand (providing a consumer does not get burned) it does bring brand awareness out there. I would imagine that if an individual purchased any used new equipment and put it in service,then needed parts. I believe that the majority of dealers that I have chatted with would still provide a source of parts and knowledge to build relationship for a future sale. As far as believing what you read here. One should always evaluate what they are told or have read and apply accordingly. Lambda controls now they have been around for years just not on wood boilers. This is treated as new technology for this application. so there will always be those on the bleeding edge and those of us that will sit back and let others beta test before we purchase. Nothing earth shattering there. God bless the freedom of speech!
NE WOOD BURNER
Minister of Fire
- Dec 30, 2012
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I was looking at these boilers on craigslist before I bought mine from AHONA. When I talked to the guy on craigslist, he didn't think that they had the lambada controls on them but he really didn't know what he was looking for. For what it is worth, I can't even imagine the horror my install would have been if I had bought the one off of craigslist. I purchased my Vigas from Henfruit and installed it myself. I am 100% positive without Henfruit and Mark from AHONA that my install would have taken MUCH longer and would not have ended up working as well as it does. There is no way that I would have been able to have it work seamlessly with my existing oil boiler system (even though it almost never turns on). If you are installing the boiler yourself, I think it is a no brainer to buy it from AHONA. That was just my experience. I couldn't have been happier with a company or my boiler.
NE WOOD BURNER
Minister of Fire
- Dec 30, 2012
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If one markets a piece of real estate they are a realtor. If my mechanic sells my car on consignment that makes him a dealer.
Foragefarmer
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I started lurking and eventually joined this site due to my interest in possibly purchasing a wood boiler. This thread and the threads that talk about what is basically the need to be a scientist to run the things properly is what has decided me against such a system at this time. Maybe the industry will mature to a further extent in the future, but grey markets and poor support from manufacturers doesn't seem to bode well for the industry.
My sympathy goes out to you. I'll be thinking about the pleasures of gassification that you have missed out on.
Foragefarmer
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One would have hoped for a thoughtful measured response. Hopefully that will be forthcoming from other forum members.
I already heat 24/7 with wood, but was looking for more convenience, even heat, and a cleaner house. At the price points bandied about and in my case the need to either retro fit exterior access to my mech. room basement or more likely build a new structure to house the unit the cost would be high in my case as well. With such a high investment I want piece of mind and I don't think I would be alone in that.
1. My system is designed to be simple stupid, load and go. I am far from a scientist. That being said, if you are installing the system yourself, it is not as simple as sticking a flue pipe into a chimney.
2. What industry is "mature"? If you think ANY industry is "mature", your going to get taken for a ride sooner or later. I use my own due diligence in every item or service I purchase. Which is why I went with AHONA. I have piece of mind when it comes to my boiler.
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