New 30 Amp Shed Sub Panel underground electrical feed. - Should I use 10/3 UF-B or 10/2 UF-B and is

[nate379]

You have plans to fix your main panel too I hope?

 

[oldspark]

You have plans to fix your main panel too I hope?

I guess I missed that what was wrong there (too lazy to look through 7 pages)?

 

[Don2222]

You have plans to fix your main panel too I hope?

Oh, yes the main panel.

I got the ground buss to fix the subpanel. I agree also that the subpanel should never have the ground bonded to the neutral. It comes that way by default so it can be used as a main panel. I did not realize that but someone might use a 2 circuit panel as a main panel!! LOL

Also, just before the rain and maybe some snow, I installed the OSHA required RED danger tape 12 inches below the ground and approx 12 inches or more above the electric and cable wires. The electrical supply had detectable tape (Aluminum Foil) for $79.00 for a 300 foot rol and $26.00 for the non-detectble RED Ribbon Tape that had Electrical printed on it. I went with the home Depot $5.00 for 3"x200 foot roll of RED (Red is used only for Electical wires) that said Danger and Peligro on it. See pics

Thanks everyone for you help and comments!

 

[nate379]

I never did that but I have 4" of insulation over the top of my run so I'd hope that pulling up insulation would clue something is going on!

My line is around 40" down. Main reason is I ran my airline in the same trench and I didn't want it freezing up. So far so good between the depth and the insulation.

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Here is another way to do it!! See guy that ran a wire a few years back!!
http://www.doityourself.com/forum/electrical-c-d-c/278307-running-electricity-shed.html

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Well I just added 4 more AC outlets today on the other circuit. The top ac outlet of the duplex is switched and goes to the wall switch next to the door on the inside.

Also I finally unbonded the ground and neutral. I connected the ground to the new ground buss that I installed and pushed the 10-2 UF-B feed wire into the box more so that is also right. Thanks to Brother Bart for noticing that.

I also wanted to than Brother Bart again for explaining the the two types of feeds using 10-3 or 10-2 UF-B and especially how I can have 2 - 20 amp circuits which is what I chose. That was super BB..

Thanks alot everyone else. That was the best advice!!

See new pic below
Click to enlarge.

 

[Danno77]

Can I get a quick summary on this?
You have a double pole 30amp in the main breaker box. Then ran 10-3 to a sub panel, where you have two 20amp breakers that feed into 12/2 wires. At that sub panel you have a grounding rod and the neutral feeds back to the main and the ground to the grounding rod. Sound right?

 

[Don2222]

Can I get a quick summary on this?
You have a double pole 30amp in the main breaker box. Then ran 10-3 to a sub panel, where you have two 20amp breakers that feed into 12/2 wires. At that sub panel you have a grounding rod and the neutral feeds back to the main and the ground to the grounding rod. Sound right?

Yes that is correct. Also I dug the trench 2 - 3 feet deep but the electrical code is 18 inches, then at 12 inches I layed out the red warning ribbon in case someone digs there!

 

[nate379]

Should have ~6" of wire on each conductor in the box.

Looks like most of your conductors are really short.

Hello

Well I just added 4 more AC outlets today on the other circuit. The top ac outlet of the duplex is switched and goes to the wall switch next to the door on the inside.

Also I finally unbonded the ground and neutral. I connected the ground to the new ground buss that I installed and pushed the 10-2 UF-B feed wire into the box more so that is also right. Thanks to Brother Bart for noticing that.

I also wanted to than Brother Bart again for explaining the the two types of feeds using 10-3 or 10-2 UF-B and especially how I can have 2 - 20 amp circuits which is what I chose. That was super BB..

Thanks alot everyone else. That was the best advice!!

See new pic below
Click to enlarge.

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Well I finally finished off the Shed Sub Panel with a custom made wooden box with a plywood door using Non-Mortise European Hinges for easy installation! LOL

See pics here > https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...-mortise-european-hinges-inexpensively.86890/

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Well, The new grass finally grew over the Electrical Trench!

It needed new loam, starter fertilizer and grass seed!

 

[GAMMA RAY]

Don, that is one pimped out shed...
You need to run plumbing to it though...
Just say'in...better get on that Don!

 

[begreen]

Yup, got to get ready for the Don john. That should be an interesting thread.

 

[Don2222]

Yup, got to get ready for the Don john. That should be an interesting thread.

There is a youtube video with a urinal in a shed. It would not look good next to the wood pellet stove! So I can just go behind the shed!

See shed Wiz

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I was thinking about AC in the window though?

 

[MasterMech]

Now there's an idea! Wife gets more than a little annoyed if I "forget" to take my shoes off when I come in the house to whiz. Which is far too often when I'm really into the nuts and bolts of something. I doubt the Mountain Dew or gallons of Iced Tea I drink is helping that.

 

[GAMMA RAY]

Holy friggin crap...Mr Gamma just told me this morning that he has the plans for our new shed...I did not know we were getting one!
What is it with you buggers and your sheds dammit!

Don you need a commode in that shed!

 

[Don2222]

Holy friggin crap...Mr Gamma just told me this morning that he has the plans for our new shed...I did not know we were getting one!
What is it with you buggers and your sheds dammit!

Don you need a commode in that shed!

Hey Gamma

Congratulations! Hope we can see pics of your progress?

Did he see the pics of my base and shed going up?
See > https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...m-channel-under-the-rake-boards-is-for.70576/

 

[GAMMA RAY]

No he did not see it....my husband does not partake in Hearth.com.

Sometimes when he is doing something I think is questionable, I often say..."That's not the way the boys on Hearth do it!"

I will show him your thread though Don.

 

[Don2222]

Thanks and tell him this is the way we build sheds too!

 

[Don2222]

Holy friggin crap...Mr Gamma just told me this morning that he has the plans for our new shed...I did not know we were getting one!
What is it with you buggers and your sheds dammit!

Don you need a commode in that shed!

Original building the shed thread with pics. Good base is VERY important.
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/...m-channel-under-the-rake-boards-is-for.70576/

No but I got the R15 insulation in the 2x4 walls and then R4 foil on top. Then covered it up with some wood paneling and shelves under the loft. Now with the cable TV and wood pellet stove it is a nice place for TV and Beer!

Click on pic to see the microwave too! Last pic shows pellet stove thru the window!

 

[ironpony]

Dons threads are very entertaining if nothing else

 

[Don2222]

Thanks

 

[begreen]

Wife finally relegated ya to the doghouse eh? Well at least it's cozy.

 

[Don2222]

Wife finally relegated ya to the doghouse eh? Well at least it's cozy.

Great place to go for some peace and quiet! Plus I can bring my friends over whenever I want!

 

[begreen]

Got a kegerator? If so, you are all set.