Metal open cooking hearth?

[begreen]

Really just looking to bake some bread, better.
If the stove weighs 250lbs and I add 50lbs of fire brick, that's adding 20% of cant hurt.
The stove will be in an insulated alcove, so most of the heat will push out the front into the room, which will be around 100sqft, and reasonably insulated.

If baking bread is the goal, maybe get a stove built for this purpose?

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[bark-eater]

If baking bread is the goal, maybe get a stove built for this purpose?

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Baking bread is a subset of the goal of having an open cooking hearth in a small shack on wheels. I have adjusted the plan to utilize a free standing franklin stove. If the novelty wears off I can replace it with any small stove. Though probably not with one that costs more than what I'm budgeting for the trailer frame....

 

[begreen]

Sounds like the plan is set. Be sure to budget for a proper and well secured flue system.

 

[stoveliker]

Yes, and regarding that, look up the 2-3-10 rule, and you'll likely have to disassemble the chimney pipe (outside) before traveling.
I'm not familiar with different class A brands, but if there are differences in how easy it is to disconnect sections, that might dictate which product line you might best choose for the flue.

 

[moresnow]

Type this into google.

bun baker wood stove

I'd go with something that pops up on that search (many makes/models to choose from). My opinion only after perusing this entire thread. Good luck. Cook safely.

 

[bark-eater]

Type this into google.

bun baker wood stove

I'd go with something that pops up on that search (many makes/models to choose from). My opinion only after perusing this entire thread. Good luck. Cook safely.

My original steel fabrication idea would have included a small built in oven. Going with a freestanding commercially produced cast iron franklin stove simplifies the safety concerns and greatly reduces the cost of the project. But a bread oven will have to be a separate unit, and I doubt any of the commercially available table top pizza ovens are in any way designed for indoor use plumbed to a chimney. But I haven't really looked yet.

P.S. Ahha!

 

[bholler]

My original steel fabrication idea would have included a small built in oven. Going with a freestanding commercially produced cast iron franklin stove simplifies the safety concerns and greatly reduces the cost of the project. But a bread oven will have to be a separate unit, and I doubt any of the commercially available table top pizza ovens are in any way designed for indoor use plumbed to a chimney. But I haven't really looked yet.

The Franklin stove really doesn't simplify the safety concerns much at all. And your still talking about are very large stove taking up a huge ammout of space in a tiny structure

 

[bark-eater]

The Franklin stove really doesn't simplify the safety concerns much at all. And your still talking about are very large stove taking up a huge ammout of space in a tiny structure

Do you have a non adjective concern with my proposed installation?

 

[Wisco Shepherd]

Do you have a non adjective concern with my proposed installation?

Yeah, its not safe.

 

[bark-eater]

Yeah, its not safe.

Ok, What aspect? I will have sufficient clearance from flammable material. I am building it into a fire proof enclosure. It will have a code approved chimney.

 

[bholler]

Do you have a non adjective concern with my proposed installation?

Yes. I simply don't see a way you can safely meet and maintain proper clearances for that stove in your space

 

[Wisco Shepherd]

Ok, What aspect? I will have sufficient clearance from flammable material. I am building it into a fire proof enclosure. It will have a code approved chimney.

What @begreen said. You will struggle to actually meet clearances despite your plans to throw rocks at it till it works. Also that large of a stove in that small of a space is a great way to die in your sleep from carbon monoxide. I'm going to peace out from this thread but @moresnow and @begreen those are some sweet options. Thinking of doing something like that in a small cabin someday.

 

[bark-eater]

Yes. I simply don't see a way you can safely meet and maintain proper clearances for that stove in your space

I have described a plan for how the clearances will be safely met, and exceeded, at least on paper.

 

[bark-eater]

What @begreen said. You will struggle to actually meet clearances despite your plans to throw rocks at it till it works. Also that large of a stove in that small of a space is a great way to die in your sleep from carbon monoxide. I'm going to peace out from this thread but @moresnow and @begreen those are some sweet options. Thinking of doing something like that in a small cabin someday.

Would you have the same concerns about carbon monoxide if it was a masonry fireplace in a 100sqft cabin?

 

[bholler]

I have described a plan for how the clearances will be safely met, and exceeded, at least on paper.

Yes i heard your plan

 

[bholler]

Would you have the same concerns about carbon monoxide if it was a masonry fireplace in a 100sqft cabin?

Yes

 

[bark-eater]

Yes i heard your plan

Well, do you have a specific criticism of my interpretation of the guidelines for a stove installation? Or some sort of rule of thumb for sizing a room to a wood stove? The franklin realy is closer to an open hearth, so is there a minimum size room for a fire place?

 

[bark-eater]

Answering my own question:

(2) Wood burning appliances shall not be installed in confined spaces or alcoves. The minimum size of the space or room in which the appliance is located shall be three hundred cubic feet. There shall be at least one openable window serving such space or room.

https://up.codes/s/wood-burning-appliances-installation

I've been using the term "alcove" to describe the recess I'm putting the stove into, but reading the actual clearances, 12" front and side of inflammable wall, is twice as far as this code calls for. Ceiling will be higher, and will have some sort of venting for escaped smoke and excess heat. That's a point that might need to be checked, but its basically a large stove hood with out grease involved.

 

[stoveliker]

I would avoid a hood opening in the top of your ceiling; it'll function as a chimney, creating lower pressure at the floor where the fire is. (I.e. the room will draft out of the hole.)
That exacerbates any CO issues, or smoke roll out - precisely the things you aim to mitigate with this "hood".

Granted it'll be a small effect, but I'd avoid it nonetheless.

 

[bark-eater]

I would avoid a hood opening in the top of your ceiling; it'll function as a chimney, creating lower pressure at the floor where the fire is. (I.e. the room will draft out of the hole.)
That exacerbates any CO issues, or smoke roll out - precisely the things you aim to mitigate with this "hood".

Granted it'll be a small effect, but I'd avoid it nonetheless.

I was starting to wrap my head around that bit of potential conflict with the stove draft. With the structure elevated on a trailer it will be easy to rig an outside air port to feed the stove. I'm going to have 2 big screened windows and a door to open and some sort of closeable roof peak vents to keep air moving through in the summer. If I put a hood opening in it will have a damper installed. I spent a December in Maine camping in a tent with one of those tin tent stoves, so I have some experience "tuning for comfort"

 

[Max W]

I have been to Walden Pond, even to the site of his cabin. As a child for a long time I imagined myself living in a simple cabin well in the woods. (Got there but built a house resembling a cottage more than a cabin) Your proposed cabin would be a fun build. If this project were mine I would look at this little stove. With the mfg shield rear clearance is reduced to 8 inches. The 9x11x17 stove or its slightly bigger sister has a rear exhaust option leaving the top free to cook on and the chimney outside. This makes pan or skillet bread is an option, also a sheet metal stove top oven.

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Found this:
I do believe in simplicity. It is astonishing as well as sad, how many trivial affairs even the wisest thinks he must attend to in a day; how singular an affair he thinks he must omit. When the mathematician would solve a difficult problem, he first frees the equation of all incumbrances, and reduces it to its simplest terms. So simplify the problem of life, distinguish the necessary and the real. Probe the earth to see where your main roots run. - Henry David Thoreau

Not so easy to do, at least for me. Maybe more perspective as I grow older.

 

[stoveliker]

Their description of clearance reduction is incorrect; it can't be lower than 12" as they base it on nfpa 211.

 

[bark-eater]

Found this:
I do believe in simplicity. It is astonishing as well as sad, how many trivial affairs even the wisest thinks he must attend to in a day; how singular an affair he thinks he must omit. When the mathematician would solve a difficult problem, he first frees the equation of all incumbrances, and reduces it to its simplest terms. So simplify the problem of life, distinguish the necessary and the real. Probe the earth to see where your main roots run. - Henry David Thoreau

Not so easy to do, at least for me. Maybe more perspective as I grow older.

Cheers!

 

[bark-eater]

Their description of clearance reduction is incorrect; it can't be lower than 12" as they base it on nfpa 211.

6" seems close. They may have been describing clearance required for an insert placed inside an existing fire place. I'm going leave enough room to add additional floating heat shields spaced off the steel and rockwool walls. I better start bring home sheet metal from the scrap yard now...

 

[bholler]

Cheers!

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Yes many of us have winter camped in various tents with tent stoves.