Looks Like WE HAVE A PELLET GLUT on our hands this year !!

[HEMI]

I know here in New Brunswick,Canada we pay tax on everything at one time they talked about taking the tax off home heating but that didn't happen....to the best of my knowledge in some states they do not pay tax on heating fuel whatever it may be

well i know here in connecticut we don't.....read a post of a guy in new jersey who did......got me

 

[ylomnstr]

pelletsales.com guaranteed me a refund of the difference if the price dropped by October. Looks like they dropped about $5 per ton and I had 3 tons delivered. I'll email them and see if they honor it.

 

[rowerwet]

looks like I jumped too soon, $250/ton delivered, back in may it seemed like a good deal, not so sure now as HD will have equal to my MWP. I wonder if the jump in sales some have seen in because pellets are getting down to a price most people want to see them at.

 

[ineclipse]

The price of pellets makes it not worth it, factor in the cost of the stove, installation, pipes and pellets you can burn oil/gas for many years to recoup, it's all a monopoly and i'm not buying until pellets are under $200, rather i'll use my stove as a conversation peice.
All you people here dont be fools!!

But you will buy your oil from a foreign country, whose people would rather kill you, than give you the time of day and export your dollars to support them, so they can plot how to come back and harm our nation...so you can save a couple of bucks....and then we groan because as a nation we have become oil dependant on them and it's just "easier" to turn that switch on.
That makes sense I guess...like hitting yourself on your hand with a hammer because you have a headache and you want to have the pain go away, so you divert it elsewhere...

Oh jeez, Pellet King, you've got to be kidding, right? Fools you call us?? I say the Pellet King has no clothes!
But don't worry... OPEC loves you man. You have made Saudi princes and oil-rich dictators everywhere smile. (At least those of them that read Hearth.com.)

When Americans refuse to switch to American fuels over a measly $10, then surely we have no true will to rid ourselves of dependence on some of the worst regimes on Earth. Saudi Arabia. Iran. Venezuela. Russia. Alaska. (Ha ha, just kidding. Guess Sarah can't see Russia from her house anymore anyway.) But honestly man, who's the fool here? And you don't really sound much like a "Pellet King" either, swearing them off so easily. If you are American my friend, then buy American, and be American. Even if it costs you the extra $10/ton. And cut out the patronizing nonsense, cuz to be honest, you just made yourself the fool.

Hell, dependence on foreign oil and evil regimes is not even the half of it. There are massive ECOLOGICAL and ECONOMIC benefits for the country as a whole, as well, of investing in wood pellets over oil. (Or investing in ANY alternative fuel over oil for that matter.)

A little aside... I had some moron in a parking lot today call me a "liberal" as if trying to insult me (for which I thanked him for the complement), just because I drive a hybrid. He then hops in his 20+ year old F-150 and starts it up to belching smoke from the tailpipe. I pulled up next to him and asked him if he was proud of his support for Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Bin Laden and increased asthma rates in American children. I'd give a million bucks to have gotten a picture of the expression on his face. (I swear I saw a little voice bubble appear above his head with the word "Duh" in it.) I wonder if he's still sitting there in his truck, utterly blank, wondering what the hell the "liberal freak" was talking about.

Environment and national security (ie. energy independence) are the two main reasons why I'm aiming for 100% pellet heat this winter - and more than happy to pay the extra $10 for it.

BTU, right on, loved your reply. EXACTLY how I feel about it as well.

(And yes, no need to point out that my stove was made in Chile.)

 

[humpin iron]

I will always say 70 degrees from oil vs 70 degrees from wood or pellet, don't feel the same on yer butt

 

[teddy1971]

I will always say 70 degrees from oil vs 70 degrees from wood or pellet, don't feel the same on yer butt

I agree with you 100%. Since I started burning with pellets. The house has been warmer than it has been the prior 6 years burning with oil. I will always use pellets to heat in the winter. Even if oil gets back down to $1.50 a gallon. Hopefully pellets will drop in price in parallel with the drop in price for oil.

 

[Romy]

I really wished we Canadian's up here had your problem as far as cheap pellets...the cheapest I have seen is Eastern Embers at $5.99 a bag x 70 bags (1.4 ton) = $419 + 13% sales tax and at the end of the day we have had a few mills open up this year and the price has gone up this year and not down....share the wealth an ship those pellets up north

13% = Ouch!

Thankfully no tax on pellets in Maine.

 

[flashbang]

When have you seen Sept prices much lower for pellets that july and Aug from pellet sales.com? Sept prices 275 a ton oct prices 285 a ton.
HD 249 aton for stove chow and fireside ultras. My local dealers saying supply no problem. WHAT CHANGED IN 5 MONTHS? In April they were all crying there will be shotages and you better load up early.

This is a simple marketing practice. We have it now, and you need it. Just like those furniture stores going out of business sales every year from the same store.
Oil prices, supply and what people will tolerate all influence the sale price.

 

[MCPO]

PK Do you keep your house at the same temp on oil vs pellet? The last time you put yer butt up to a register, did it feel the same as when you stood in front of your stove?

And when you figure out the monopoly please let me know how it's all workin..............

There`s no need to heat the whole house the same temp but what`s the need to put your butt up to a register?

 

[slls]

I will always say 70 degrees from oil vs 70 degrees from wood or pellet, don't feel the same on yer butt

I agree with you 100%. Since I started burning with pellets. The house has been warmer than it has been the prior 6 years burning with oil. I will always use pellets to heat in the winter. Even if oil gets back down to $1.50 a gallon. Hopefully pellets will drop in price in parallel with the drop in price for oil.

The house is no warmer with pellets than oil heat, you just need to turn up your oil thermostat. My house is warmer with oil, the pellet stove does a poor job of heating upstairs. I will admit it does a good job down stairs, but no better than oil heat.

 

[imacman]

......My house is warmer with oil, the pellet stove does a poor job of heating upstairs. I will admit it does a good job down stairs.......

Sils, I hope you didn't buy your pellet stove thinking it was going to heat the whole house. Pretty much everyone on this forum knows that, for the most part, they are room heaters. Any other rooms or areas that DO get heated from the pellet stove are just an added bonus.

 

[humpin iron]

sils please ck the btu out put of your central heat system, then the max btu output of your pellet stove...........do the math and report back to us as to how you thought the pellet stove would do your whole house

 

[HEMI]

hey guys, I bought my englander 25 in thought of it heating my first floor......but in reality it heats the entire house (to my standards) 72-74 first floor, and 67-68 up stairs....2200 sq ft colonial

 

[amick780]

Hemi_1500 I agree my stove heats the entire house as well....2900 sq/ft colonial. I figured it would assist my forced air propane furnace, but it kicks on only when its real windy and below 10 degrees outside, as far as heat the house feels warmer because of the steady heat output of the pellet stove. Instead of the on off nature of a furnace.

 

[slls]

sils please ck the btu out put of your central heat system, then the max btu output of your pellet stove...........do the math and report back to us as to how you thought the pellet stove would do your whole house

I never said I thought it would heat the whole house, I was just replying to all the [ how much warmer pellets are to oil heat]. Which is just BS.

 

[buildingmaint]

Tractor Supply price July $289.00 a ton, Sept price $239.00 a ton, NWPA

 

[teddy1971]

sils please ck the btu out put of your central heat system, then the max btu output of your pellet stove...........do the math and report back to us as to how you thought the pellet stove would do your whole house

I never said I thought it would heat the whole house, I was just replying to all the [ how much warmer pellets are to oil heat]. Which is just BS.

SllS

I may have misrepresented my situation with my statement. You are correct that My house would be just as warm with oil as it is with pellets if I turn the heat up. What I should have stated is that I would have to spend more money on oil than I would on pellets to keep the house just as warm. I Heat a 2500 SQFT Colonial (72-74 Downstairs/ 67-69 Upstairs) with my stove. Even with oil prices down this year I will spend $1155 to heat my house with pellets (plus 300 Gallons of oil for Hotwater and the basement (800sqft)). I would easily use @ 1000 to 1200 gallons of oil to be just as warm which would equate to $2150 to $2580 at todays prices (2.15/gallon of oil). I myself don't want to go back to the days of not knowing where prices are going with oil. Granted pellet prices seem to fluctuate by not as extreme as oil. At least I have a choice now and am saving alittle money as well.

 

[slls]

I may have misrepresented my situation with my statement. You are correct that My house would be just as warm with oil as it is with pellets if I turn the heat up. What I should have stated is that I would have to spend more money on oil than I would on pellets to keep the house just as warm. I Heat a 2500 SQFT Colonial (72-74 Downstairs/ 67-69 Upstairs) with my stove. Even with oil prices down this year I will spend $1155 to heat my house with pellets (plus 300 Gallons of oil for Hotwater and the basement (800sqft)). I would easily use @ 1000 to 1200 gallons of oil to be just as warm which would equate to $2150 to $2580 at todays prices (2.15/gallon of oil). I myself don't want to go back to the days of not knowing where prices are going with oil. Granted pellet prices seem to fluctuate by not as extreme as oil. At least I have a choice now and am saving alittle money as well.

[/quote]

You are confusing me, my CB 1200 thermostat is set to the same as my oil heat, 70 F 24-7. The house is the same temp down stairs with oil or pellets. With thermostat both units shut down when the thermostat is satisfied. BTW 67 F up stairs too cold for us old folks.
Last winter I burned 35 bags and 300 gal #2 oil, 1500 sq ft, well winterized.

 

[countk]

The price of pellets makes it not worth it, factor in the cost of the stove, installation, pipes and pellets you can burn oil/gas for many years to recoup, it's all a monopoly and i'm not buying until pellets are under $200, rather i'll use my stove as a conversation peice.
All you people here dont be fools!!

Some of us have old houses circa 1825 and have not been able to get even heat throughout the house. I burned wood for 22 years and changing to a pellet stove was the best move I ever made. Please do not take offense wood burners, I just got tired of shoveling the ice and snow off the wood pile and humping in all the logs. I ain't young anymore and would rather exercise in different ways.

<The last time you put yer butt up to a register, did it feel the same as when you stood in front of your stove>

I agree with you there humpin iron!

 

[amick780]

Wow, only 35 bags and 300 gals of oil.....

 

[teddy1971]

I may have misrepresented my situation with my statement. You are correct that My house would be just as warm with oil as it is with pellets if I turn the heat up. What I should have stated is that I would have to spend more money on oil than I would on pellets to keep the house just as warm. I Heat a 2500 SQFT Colonial (72-74 Downstairs/ 67-69 Upstairs) with my stove. Even with oil prices down this year I will spend $1155 to heat my house with pellets (plus 300 Gallons of oil for Hotwater and the basement (800sqft)). I would easily use @ 1000 to 1200 gallons of oil to be just as warm which would equate to $2150 to $2580 at todays prices (2.15/gallon of oil). I myself don't want to go back to the days of not knowing where prices are going with oil. Granted pellet prices seem to fluctuate by not as extreme as oil. At least I have a choice now and am saving alittle money as well.

You are confusing me, my CB 1200 thermostat is set to the same as my oil heat, 70 F 24-7. The house is the same temp down stairs with oil or pellets. With thermostat both units shut down when the thermostat is satisfied. BTW 67 F up stairs too cold for us old folks.
Last winter I burned 35 bags and 300 gal #2 oil, 1500 sq ft, well winterized.[/quote]


Only 35 Bags. Really. That is remarkable. I used 4.5 Tons last year. My family is much happier with the pellet stove and I'm not complaining about the cost of oil. Once again I'm refering to cost and not heat. Eventually I hope to get solar thermal for hot water and to heat the house during the day. Then I will truly be saving (money and the planet).

 

[woodsman23]

I may have misrepresented my situation with my statement. You are correct that My house would be just as warm with oil as it is with pellets if I turn the heat up. What I should have stated is that I would have to spend more money on oil than I would on pellets to keep the house just as warm. I Heat a 2500 SQFT Colonial (72-74 Downstairs/ 67-69 Upstairs) with my stove. Even with oil prices down this year I will spend $1155 to heat my house with pellets (plus 300 Gallons of oil for Hotwater and the basement (800sqft)). I would easily use @ 1000 to 1200 gallons of oil to be just as warm which would equate to $2150 to $2580 at todays prices (2.15/gallon of oil). I myself don't want to go back to the days of not knowing where prices are going with oil. Granted pellet prices seem to fluctuate by not as extreme as oil. At least I have a choice now and am saving alittle money as well.

You are confusing me, my CB 1200 thermostat is set to the same as my oil heat, 70 F 24-7. The house is the same temp down stairs with oil or pellets. With thermostat both units shut down when the thermostat is satisfied. BTW 67 F up stairs too cold for us old folks.
Last winter I burned 35 bags and 300 gal #2 oil, 1500 sq ft, well winterized.[/quote]

You must live in a very small house to only use 35 bags of pellets, i just have to call BS on this,..... sorry.

 

[ineclipse]

Last winter I burned 35 bags and 300 gal #2 oil, 1500 sq ft, well winterized.

And you say you live in central Maine? You must have taken a two month holiday in Florida or something.

 

[rowerwet]

could be like my neighbor, 3 bdrm 2 story sort of A frame (laminated arch beams for potato barns), wall/roof 4 ft insullation, only 6 windows (on the ends) fuel burn is similar for his house.

 

[imacman]

.....Last winter I burned 35 bags and 300 gal #2 oil, 1500 sq ft, well winterized.

Sils, are you sure you didn't forget to put a "1" in front of the 35......