Looking for wood stove for a small cabin in CO

[begreen]

Needs strong draft to perform well. Has an abysmal and expensive maintenance record.

 

[aaarneson]

Great....Thanks. That is good to know.

 

[begreen]

Draft can be an issue at higher altitudes, especially in one-story buildings because the flue is not tall enough. With weak draft there is a chance that secondary combustion will not happen which will dramatically affect heat output. Some stoves draft easier than others. Examples would be the PE Vista and Enviro Kodiak 1200.

 

[EatenByLimestone]

One thing to look at with small cabins where floor space is a premium is the hearth requirements. Some require only ember protection and some require more extensive protection.

 

[aaarneson]

Thanks for that info as well. Both about the hearth as well as the flue pipe height in regards to elevation and bends. Those are some things I did not know about.

 

[aaarneson]

Here are a couple others I have been looking at. Are these any good? Also what do you look for to know what type of hearth is needed?

http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-...proved-Wood-Stoves/Drolet-Columbia-Wood-Stove

http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-...erwolf-2100-Economizer-EPA-Wood-Burning-Stove

Also I like the look of the legs compared to the stands. But is there any advantage of either one? Or is it just looks?

Thanks

 

[begreen]

Here are a couple others I have been looking at. Are these any good? Also what do you look for to know what type of hearth is needed?

http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-...proved-Wood-Stoves/Drolet-Columbia-Wood-Stove

http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-...erwolf-2100-Economizer-EPA-Wood-Burning-Stove

Also I like the look of the legs compared to the stands. But is there any advantage of either one? Or is it just looks?

Thanks

I don't know too much about the new Drolet Columbia, I suspect it would probably work. The price seems a bit high. Rural King had it for under $800.
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My concern with the TW2100 would be draft. Napoleons are not too forgiving of weak draft. That's why I suggested the True North and Enviro. A PE Super 27 would be my first choice but that is a bit above the budget.

Legs vs pedestals is often a matter of personal preference. Sometimes the pedestal versions are a bit taller which can be a plus.

 

[aaarneson]

Thanks. I like those, but yeah they are a bit over my budget so I am trying to find something closer to my budget. But I suppose if those are the right ones I will just need to splurge and get the right one instead of regretting it down the road.

 

[begreen]

At sea level those two stoves will work with a 12 ft chimney. I think the True North TN20 is around $1000. It's made by PE. Otherwise get an Englander 13NC for $750, build a well insulated hearth and put 18 ft of flue on it straight up. It's a good stove too, just needs a bit stronger draft.

 

[aaarneson]

Thanks for the guidance Begreen. One more question from ignorance. How do I insulate the hearth? What is the best way?

 

[begreen]

The hearth insulation varies with the stove requirement. Some like the PE Super 27 just need ember protection, a sheet of 22ga metal would suffice. Others like the 13NC need substantial R=2.0 hearth insulation. This is done by building up layers of insulation board plus cement board or purchasing a type 2 hearth pad. There are many threads here on building hearths for the 13NC. It's a popular stove.

 

[edyit]

here's a link to help you figure out R values, found it quite handy when i built my own hearth.

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[aaarneson]

I like that TN20 a lot. Especially if it is around $1K. Plus the $300 Tax Credit. What kind of Hearth does that require? Also would that just need a 17ft pipe?

 

[begreen]

Will the chimney be going straight up? Turns add resistance.

I would pick up and extra length of stove pipe and a roof brace. Install with 15ft total flue and if that works well, great. But if not you will have the extra pipe to extend right away. Return the pipe if not needed.
For dealers check the TN website. You might also check with McGuckins out of Boulder and The Chimneysweep here in WA state. Both are PE dealers.
https://www.mcguckin.com/
http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/

this might be helpful info:
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/timberwolf-2200-or-true-north-t19-wood-stove.114408/

 

[aaarneson]

Will the chimney be going straight up? Turns add resistance.

I would pick up and extra length of stove pipe and a roof brace. Install with 15ft total flue and if that works well, great. But if not you will have the extra pipe to extend right away. Return the pipe if not needed.
For dealers check the TN website. You might also check with McGuckins out of Boulder and The Chimneysweep here in WA state. Both are PE dealers.
https://www.mcguckin.com/
http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/

this might be helpful info:
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/timberwolf-2200-or-true-north-t19-wood-stove.114408/

Thanks! I would like for it to go straight up. But if that does not work for some reason I would need to do a 90 degree through the wall and then another 90 degree up.

Also I am currently in Phoenix. I may go look here:

http://www.arizonafireplaces.com/stoves/wood-stoves/

 

[begreen]

If at all possible go straight up, particularly if chimney height is a challenge. Every 90º turn costs about 2-3' off the chimney height. Straight up is also less expensive for parts.

 

[willoweep]

I would strongly advise against going out the wall at altitude. " Because of the effects of negative pressure, we cannot guarantee the performance of exterior chimneys" has been my standard disclaimer for years. I've had good luck with True Norths working up here at 8250'. 15' minimum height is absolutely required, at our old house the pipe stuck 7' off of the 2/12 roof

 

[aaarneson]

Ok....The only thing that I am concern of is the roof height. Can I go higher on the pipe if needed? Are the words "Chimney" and "Pipe" interchangeable?

Also what about the type of hearth that is needed? Or is that in the link that was provided? I have not had a chance to look at that yet.

 

[begreen]

Interior up to the ceiling on the same floor will be stove pipe. In your circumstance I would recommend using double-wall stove pipe to assist draft. From the ceiling on up to the sky the system switches to chimney pipe. That is made in double wall insulated or triple-wall. My preference is double-wall chimney.

 

[aaarneson]

Thank you for all the help. Really appreciate it.

 

[EatenByLimestone]

Double wall also let's you put the stove closer to the wall. In a small cabin, that little bit of extra space can be important!

 

[aaarneson]

I checked with the Arizona Fireplaces and they have TN20 they can special order but the price is about 2100. So I am not sure if that is just the new price or if they are asking a lot. The place in boulder only seems to sell locally.

 

[begreen]

That is a very high price. Locally, you can get a PE Super 27 for less. Price was around $1000 the last time I checked.

 

[jrb737]

Hello aaarneson, I have a weekend cabin in Red Feather Lakes, Co and have been heating it w/ a Napoleon 1100c wood stove since 2005. The elevation is 9,200 ft and it does a great job. Cabin is 1100 sq ft, but I keep the upstairs closed off in the winter. The fire box is 1.7 cubic ft and I can pack it tight enough to get 7hr burns overnight with plenty of coals remaining to fire it back up.

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