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I've got a Vermont Castings Defiant you can buy, but you've got to come pick it up in Dutchess County, NY. $350, PM me for details and pictures.
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I've got a Vermont Castings Defiant you can buy, but you've got to come pick it up in Dutchess County, NY. $350, PM me for details and pictures.
Okay since everyone has been talking about epa stoves, let's try this. Let's assume for a minute I wanted a wood stove that could handle let's say 22" logs, my downstairs is insulated, 6-8"piping, "EPA cert" heats up to let's say 2200 Sq ft that's including two floors, has no glass, can burn some wet wood, doesnt let all the heat go up the pipe, strong reliable, no cat convert, and can last up to easily 10 years, also $2000 or less. What are my options????
Ok you will not be happy with wet wood in any new stove. And honestly you would be amazed by the difference in your old stove by burning good wood. Any stove will burn wet stuff but non will do it well.
You will be hard pressed to find a new stove with out glass but like i said before if you burn it right the glass will be clean.
Is it 6" or 8"
That depends on how you burn it if you burn it wide open you will send allot of heat out of the stove no matter what stove it is.
Just about any stove will easily do this unless you regularly over fire it.
The englander nc30 would probably be your best bet it only takes 20" logs though few new stoves take over 20"
Already mentioned: Englander 30NC, Drolet Myriad, Baltic, Legend or HT2000, Woodstock Ideal Steel in the base package and when you pick it up in Lebanon, NH. Jotul F55 with coupon of $300 should be close (~$2200). The Timberwolf 2300 and Osburn 2400 would be other options. You will have to check which ones of those handle 22" logs but all are ~3 cu ft in firebox size and should be able to heat moderately insulated 2000 sqft. For reference, I have a 2 cu ft insert and heat 1300 sqft in Chittenden County with it. Treated properly, all of those stoves should easily last 10 years. The Ideal Steel has a cat that may need replacement about every 5 to 8 years (~$200).
However, it cannot be stressed enough: Any stove needs dry wood. Water does not burn. You may think that in a pre-EPA stove you can burn wet wood but what you actually do is boil the water from the splits and send it up the flue. You waste a ton of heat that could be used to warm your home. You said you burnt 10 cords last winter. Use dry wood and a modern stove and that will go down to 5 cords. No one could get me to spend all the time and labor to process 5 additional cords each year just because I don't like the "EPA-certified" label.
However, it cannot be stressed enough: Any stove needs dry wood. Water does not burn. You may think that in a pre-EPA stove you can burn wet wood but what you actually do is boil the water from the splits and send it up the flue. You waste a ton of heat that could be used to warm your home. You said you burnt 10 cords last winter. Use dry wood and a modern stove and that will go down to 5 cords. No one could get me to spend all the time and labor to process 5 additional cords each year just because I don't like the "EPA-certified" label.
The 20" log didn't jive with my memory. I went downstairs to my 30 and it'll take 22". I know I've fit 24" logs diagonal on more than one occasion.
If you never clean the glass, why do you care if it's there or not? Dry wood will at most leave ash on it.
For the price, the NC30 cant be beat. It can be bought under $1000 all around. I've seen it offered for the upper $500s on sale here. It's not my favorite stove, but durability and heating ability have never been questioned.
If you never clean the glass, why do you care if it's there or not? Dry wood will at most leave ash on it.
For the price, the NC30 cant be beat. It can be bought under $1000 all around. I've seen it offered for the upper $500s on sale here. It's not my favorite stove, but durability and heating ability have never been questioned.
ok i dont have one just going by their specs but in that case it fits the order
Do you have a metal class A chimney, or venting into masonry? New stoves need decent draft that an oversized, cold masonry chimney usually doesn't provide.
My chimney has a metal insert inside that needs cleaning every season. There are bricks on the outside and metal on the inside. I don't care if I have to change to a stainless steal double walled pipe on the outside of the house. I think it might look better. It's a tall chimney too.
If you have a stainless lined masonry chimney there is no reason to change to class a. What size is that liner and is it insulated?
JA600L
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http://blog.woodstove.com/2012/01/catalytic-combustors-wet-wood.html?m=1The Ideal Steel has a cat and secondary burn tubes. The cat is $125 dollars to replace. 3 year warranty.
In regards to your wet wood dilemma, a cat or hybrid stove may have a better chance at burning less than dry wood as the stainless foil cat becomes active at 500 degrees vs the tube stoves at 1000 degrees. The Ideal Steel has both technologies in it. Not saying you should burn wet wood, but if your going to do it you need something that can run at lower temperatures.
In regards to your wet wood dilemma, a cat or hybrid stove may have a better chance at burning less than dry wood as the stainless foil cat becomes active at 500 degrees vs the tube stoves at 1000 degrees. The Ideal Steel has both technologies in it. Not saying you should burn wet wood, but if your going to do it you need something that can run at lower temperatures.
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The size is....... 8 or 9" oblong. And I don't know if it is insulated or not. This chimney was built a long time ago. Back in the 90's.
Well built in the 90s it could be insulated or not and by 8 or 9 oblong do you mean an 8 or 9 inch pipe ovalized or an oval 8 or 9 inches at its widest?
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I had the Timberwolf 2300 in my house last year. Stove is rated for 3500 sq feet and my house is 1100 sq feet. Was hitting temps of 36-38C within a couple of hours of burning. Too hot for me and I sold it for $500. A $2000 stove...but anyway. Timberwolf has a 3 cubic foot firebox, takes a 22 inch junk, is non cat and will heat the crap out of your house
JA600L
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Sounds like an 8" liner. Most newer stoves including the NC30 will work best with a 6" liner. Not many stoves use 8" anymore.
It sounds like you are coming around but I suggest you go to the Woodstock factory in Lebanon and check out their plant yourself. You will see that there are no sinister EPA bureaucrats in black suits but hard working folks from VT and NH who take pride in the engineering and manufacturing of their stoves. They will explain to you how their stoves can deliver the "goods" with much less wood than older stoves and maybe you even see and feel one "in action". This is the impression another new member came back with after his visit to the Woodstock facility: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...rn-nh-hearthstone-dealer.144788/#post-1953335
There is a reason they are regularly lauded for the quality of their stoves and their exceptional customer service.
Not saying that you should not buy an Englander or any other modern stove. Simply trying to show you how much better stoves have become.
There is a reason they are regularly lauded for the quality of their stoves and their exceptional customer service.
Not saying that you should not buy an Englander or any other modern stove. Simply trying to show you how much better stoves have become.
The Kickapoo Starlor that I posted earlier is indeed for sale at $400. This stove is a beast, has a five cubic foot firebox, and can easily hold a fire for 14 hours. It is the ideal stove for a basement install as it is rated at 50,000 btu's and is capable of heating a large area. I would often put whole six inch or a split eight inch logs in this stove and didn't have to attend it again for hours. I will list it in the classified section of this forum soon if anyone is interested.
Might not quite fit your bill, but Buck makes an EPA exempt stove called the Little John. It handles a 22" log and is 2.8 Cu Ft firebox I think. No real glass to speak of. My local dealer carried them on sale last year for around $600 new. Solid looking heater.
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quotejso
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I thought the pea exempt stoves get away with it because you can't really shut the air down all the way so they always are in free burn clean burn
Oldman47
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If you really want a non-EPA stove you had better act fast. They are already forbidden to manufacture them and after the new year they are forbidden to sell the ones that are in the stores.
Startling with your attitude will only get you attitude. You came here, we didn't search you out.
You have a pre Epa that ain't doing the job, and now you want another non Epa.
If your already finding companies, why are you here? Go ahead slap down some more cash on a stove you're obviously going to blast the shtiz out of, and then come back complaining about that stove.
You don/t want EPA, you don't want cat, you don't want glass.
Heating from a basement in many situations is already a strike against any stove.
Your ol H1 probably "brokedown" cause you fired the crap out of it. I would bet you overfired it on a daily basis. And if that is true, no stove is going to survive what you plan to put if through.
You want a list, you want this, you want that.
I suggest you do your due research as we all have. Then come back with a few choices in mind, then ask for help to narrow your choice down.
Otherwise, the only list you're going to get is a suggestion to go look on Craigslist, and buy the biggest heaviest stove you can find, for the cheapest cost, then come back and let us know how long that lasted and how it worked out.
10 cords a year is 2x to 3x what most on here burn with a non-epa.
80-90 degrees seriously?
You want it all, but your expectations are not in line with reality.
Just get yourself a wood furnace and be done with it.
You lost about 1/2 the good folks that would be willing to help with your beginning attitude.
I'd say welcome.... but, nah
You have a pre Epa that ain't doing the job, and now you want another non Epa.
If your already finding companies, why are you here? Go ahead slap down some more cash on a stove you're obviously going to blast the shtiz out of, and then come back complaining about that stove.
You don/t want EPA, you don't want cat, you don't want glass.
Heating from a basement in many situations is already a strike against any stove.
Your ol H1 probably "brokedown" cause you fired the crap out of it. I would bet you overfired it on a daily basis. And if that is true, no stove is going to survive what you plan to put if through.
You want a list, you want this, you want that.
I suggest you do your due research as we all have. Then come back with a few choices in mind, then ask for help to narrow your choice down.
Otherwise, the only list you're going to get is a suggestion to go look on Craigslist, and buy the biggest heaviest stove you can find, for the cheapest cost, then come back and let us know how long that lasted and how it worked out.
10 cords a year is 2x to 3x what most on here burn with a non-epa.
80-90 degrees seriously?
You want it all, but your expectations are not in line with reality.
Just get yourself a wood furnace and be done with it.
You lost about 1/2 the good folks that would be willing to help with your beginning attitude.
I'd say welcome.... but, nah
Besides you mr hog wild everyone has helped me. Re read the thread. Over fire this. But hey THANKS FOR THE INPUT ON A WOOD FURNACE. I think you helped me there.
Ignore him he gives pretty good advice but can be quite grumpy lol. Although i will agree that your initial attitude was quite poor you seemed to have listened to us at least a bit and have changed your tune some. Looking at a good wood furnace is not a terrible idea but many out there are not very good so do your research.
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