Is this a decent wood stove?

[rottiman]

the unit can be connected to a flue that is within cross sectional value no more than 2 times that of the flue collar on the stove. 2 times piR squared. the "R" is radius so if a 6 inch round is used its radius is 3 (or half the width) 4 is radius for 8 inch round. so piR sq. is for a 6 inch round (3 X 3) X 3.14, or 9 X 3.14.

on a square flue you simply go length X width so a 6 inch square would be 6x6 or 36 sq in. say a flue is 6 X 9 would be 54 sq in.

connecting to an 8 inch round flue is fine. bigger than that would be an issue. you look at cross sectional value, which is basically how many square inches of space. a 6" flue would be 28.26 sq inches (3.14 X 9) or (3 times piR sq.) now an 8 inch round would be 50.24 (3.14 X 16) or (4 times piR sq)

so at 28.26 X 2 (56.52 sq in) you have your maximum cross sectional value for a 6 inch flue'd appliance the 8 inch round is within the size parameters allowed to connect to any woodstove with a 6 inch collar unless the manufacturer SPECIFICALLY states you can only use a 6 inch flue. we do not make that specification.

so long story short yeah you can hook that 13 up to an eight inch flue. just thought it would be neat to throw the math out there for folks to see how to calculate cross sectional values on a round flue.

Awesome reference Mike, all that and your a Steelers fan as well......LOL. Seriously though, your products are great and your customer service is outstanding. CR250Rider you would do well for your $$$$investment with the 13.

 

[CR250Rider]

So it looks like I'm back to having someone install a classA chimney again.
I was told (my free advice ) that I should relocate the support straps to the section above the 45 degree elbow and then just remove the elbow. The inside liner and the outside would be connected, section by section. I could then just get a 8" to 6" reducer and use stove pipe to install the bottom of the chimney to the stove. cool, sounded simple...OOPS!
The outer pipe had spacers but the inside pipe and the outside pipe were not connected. As soon as I pulled off the elbow, it all came crashing down. It goes way up there past where I can see. It was only supported at the very bottom after all.
My entire construction plan was going to make a false upper wall to hide the 10" pipe so I've stopped and seeking wisdom from one of you guys.
ug, I just want to burn some wood!

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[stoveguy2esw]

ok hold up a minute.

are you removing a zero clearance FP? chimneys are different in most cases. this is extremely important! is the current flue air cooled or insulated? look at the pipe for a label. look on the label for the following "UL 103" or "UL 103 HT" in order to have a safe and effective chimney you must have the "HT" rated pipe.where did the label in your last picture come from? dude, we may well need to talk. look in your inbox in a few im going to shoot you a way to get to me when im back in my office monday. lets put a hold on this project until we know what you have in your roof.

 

[CR250Rider]

ok hold up a minute.

are you removing a zero clearance FP? chimneys are different in most cases. this is extremely important! is the current flue air cooled or insulated? look at the pipe for a label. look on the label for the following "UL 103" or "UL 103 HT" in order to have a safe and effective chimney you must have the "HT" rated pipe.where did the label in your last picture come from? dude, we may well need to talk. look in your inbox in a few im going to shoot you a way to get to me when im back in my office monday. lets put a hold on this project until we know what you have in your roof.

Yes, Zero clearance FP
No 103 anywhere I can see.
The roof looks unchanged and it's raining like he*l but no leaking

 

[begreen]

What part is that blue label from?

You'll definitely want to be sure that is correct chimney pipe. Also, single wall needs to be 18" from the nearest combustible.

 

[BIGDADDY]

I know many people here have steel stoves but I would not buy one. I was reading your posts and saw that you are going to save some money on a chimney installation. My suggestion to you is to spend 1500 to 2500 and buy a cast iron stove. It will last longer and look nicer and I think provide better heat.

 

[BobUrban]

Bigdaddy - not to stir the pot but I am curious what your reasoning is for discounting steel Vs. Cast stoves and what makes cast better? Asthetics is very subjective and I can agree that some of the cast stoves are very elegant but regarding longevity and heat output I am not sure there is a significant, if ANY difference. Especially when you consider most modern epa cast stoves are just welded steel boxes wrapped in cast. Can you elaborate?

 

[stoveguy2esw]

cast v/s steel that one has been "ford chevy'd" to death in here already.

they are different in characteristics, but overall since the advent of newer technology i dont think one is "better" than the other. even soapstone should be included in the chat. these days its more about they style and such rather than substance. a well maintained and properly operated steel, soapstone, or cast stove can last a lifetime. either one if not maintained or abused would have a considerably shorter lifespan.

 

[BIGDADDY]

Bigdaddy - not to stir the pot but I am curious what your reasoning is for discounting steel Vs. Cast stoves and what makes cast better? Asthetics is very subjective and I can agree that some of the cast stoves are very elegant but regarding longevity and heat output I am not sure there is a significant, if ANY difference. Especially when you consider most modern epa cast stoves are just welded steel boxes wrapped in cast. Can you elaborate?

Well my response to you regarding heat out put would be that a steel box stove will begin putting off heat quicker then a cast iron stove. A cast iron stove will radiate the heat longer after the fire dies down then a steel box stove. Those are two obvious differences. Can both be pro or con depending on what time of year you are burning and if you just want to burn a short hot fire or 24 7 burning.
If you want to believe a steel box stove for 8 or 9 hundred dollars is as good as a 2500 $ stove you have that right. But for my money I will buy the cast iron stove over any steel box stove.

 

[BIGDADDY]

cast v/s steel that one has been "ford chevy'd" to death in here already.

they are different in characteristics, but overall since the advent of newer technology i dont think one is "better" than the other. even soapstone should be included in the chat. these days its more about they style and such rather than substance. a well maintained and properly operated steel, soapstone, or cast stove can last a lifetime. either one if not maintained or abused would have a considerably shorter lifespan.

Does that mean you don't think the stoves you sell are better then another stove?

 

[ddddddden]

Does that mean you don't think the stoves you sell are better then another stove?

Mike has posted what he thinks.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't waste the time of mfr's who are generous enough with their time to post here.

 

[BIGDADDY]

Mike has posted what he thinks.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't waste the time of mfr's who are generous enough with their time to post here.

I'd appreciate it if you don't waste my time with your interpretation of other people's post. I don't think it is unfair or unkind of me to ask a question of someone that makes a statement anymore then someone asking me a question about what I think even if I was clear about what I thought.
So back down big boy.
Let every man speak for himself.
And as far as anyone being generous with their time to post here don't make me laugh. You sound ridiculous .

 

[ddddddden]

cast v/s steel that one has been "ford chevy'd" to death in here already.

they are different in characteristics, but overall since the advent of newer technology i dont think one is "better" than the other. . .

What part do you not understand?

 

[BIGDADDY]

What part do you not understand?

I don't understand why you are sticking your beak in. I asked Mike a question. Now let me be clear. I don't care to hear anything from you. I asked Mike a question. I asked Mike a question. You know the mfr you apparently believe is so very important and his time so precious , but lets just wait and see if Mike will answer my simple question. In the mean time shhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[ddddddden]

Your question has been answered.
You are trying to bait a mfr about their product, while they are providing assistance to the OP.
If you're not going to help, move along to the "cast iron rulez" thread.

 

[BIGDADDY]

Your question has been answered.
You are trying to bait a mfr about their product, while they are providing assistance to the OP.
If you're not going to help, move along to the "cast iron rulez" thread.

I guess you and Mike must be some kind of buddies. I will tell you one thing I wouldn't even go in a stove store that says all stoves are basically the same none better then another. I'm sure that store doesn't have the stove I'm looking for.
If I were going to sell stoves I would sell a better if not best stove you could buy. Just in case someone might want a better then average stove. If your stance is all stoves are the same then drive down to the nearest Lowes or Home Depot and pick you up one. Why pay more then $800 for a stove? I know you don't know the answer to that. It's kinda like when a child looks at a cow and a bull and doesn't really know the difference. Some people know the difference. Some people know when to shut up and some just keep on even after being ask nicely to but out. But you're a real pal of Mike's and you know his internal thought processes. Tell Mike I don't like those same as every other stoves. None better then any other.
Thanks buddie

 

[BobUrban]

Thanks BD - I am just trying to learn here and this is only my second year of fulltime home heating with wood.

What stove are you using?

 

[stoveguy2esw]

actually what i typed in is my own personal opinion. not embellishing anything. for the record , i do not "sell" in here, i made that promise to webbie before i even joined. my intention is to offer my expertise to folks who may have use for it.

as for my confidence in my product, heck yeah i believe my stoves are just as solid a product as can be found on the market. OTOH, i do not put down any other products out there who i may or may not be competing against in the market my products occupy. i find it distateful when it is done by a manufacturer first off, and i believe that most any of the products out there are good if not great products even the ones i dont build. so if im inaccurate in my assessment of their products which would be easily recognized by the members in here what does that do for my credibility in this or any forum.

 

[rideau]

I understood Mike to be dealing with the issue of whether cast or steel made a better stove, and interpreted his statement to mean that, given the same quality of build, both cast and steel stoves can today be manufactured to last a lifetime. The material is not the determining factor in the life of the stove.
He does not indicate that the quality of the build or the level of manufacturer response to issues is not a significant factor.
I didn't interpret his statement as an attempt to place a value on every stove manufactured.
Nor did I interpret it as a statement dealing with his company's product.
His statement about "it is a matter of style rather than substance" if taken out of context could be interpreted to mean all stoves are equal, but in context clearly not. He is clearly saying that with new technology one substance is not better than another and that with proper care and maintenance ONE made of any of the three substances CAN last a lifetime....not that ALL made with any of the three WILL. Again, his position is that the material's not the determining factor.

And I do think it is generous of him to respond to a potential customer so readily; his willingness to put forth a small additional effort can make a huge difference in the ease and comfort level associated with a customer's experience. He cares, which is nice.

Most people on the forum are here because they care, which again is nice.

BigDaddy, if you legitimately are interpreting Mike's statement to possibly mean every stove is created equal, and really want to know whether that is what he meant, why not ask that question? Whether you meant to or not, you did come across in the phrasing of your question as less than truly inquisitive. Another point is that we all respond to questions asked of others on this forum, whenever we have an interest. You can send a PM if you only want a response from one person. On this forum, dddddden has a right to say his two cents in response to any post you make. And your response to one of his responses was .... well, you choose a word to describe it.

I don't know a thing about Mike, and have no axe to grind here. Just would like to see the forum remain the civilized and informative place it is, where several manufacturers keep tabs and respond in a fashion that is helpful to us all. And I think that is all ddddddden is trying to do.

Without meaning to, I've said some things that have upset people on the Forum. When I realize I have done so, I try to look at the statement I've made from their point of view and either apologize, explain, rephrase or inquire. Or, in the last analysis, if all else fails, withdraw from the discussion....

 

[stoveguy2esw]

FWIW my posts were an attempt at "putting out a fire" not starting or fueling one. as for the various manufacturers of stoves i have complete respect for them and their products. as for the members in here , ditto. so, my intentions were not to create or perpetuate any arguement. the "ford chevy" thing i wasnt trying to be funny, different types of stove have differing charactoristics in heating. steel units tend to heat up faster, soapstone units slower but provide a softer heat and tend to hold heat longer as the fire dies. cast units are kinda in between that. as for actual quality differences between the types, i dont expect that its greater or lesser , just different.

 

[BIGDADDY]

I understood Mike to be dealing with the issue of whether cast or steel made a better stove, and interpreted his statement to mean that, given the same quality of build, both cast and steel stoves can today be manufactured to last a lifetime. The material is not the determining factor in the life of the stove.
He does not indicate that the quality of the build or the level of manufacturer response to issues is not a significant factor.
I didn't interpret his statement as an attempt to place a value on every stove manufactured.
Nor did I interpret it as a statement dealing with his company's product.
His statement about "it is a matter of style rather than substance" if taken out of context could be interpreted to mean all stoves are equal, but in context clearly not. He is clearly saying that with new technology one substance is not better than another and that with proper care and maintenance ONE made of any of the three substances CAN last a lifetime....not that ALL made with any of the three WILL. Again, his position is that the material's not the determining factor.

And I do think it is generous of him to respond to a potential customer so readily; his willingness to put forth a small additional effort can make a huge difference in the ease and comfort level associated with a customer's experience. He cares, which is nice.

Most people on the forum are here because they care, which again is nice.

BigDaddy, if you legitimately are interpreting Mike's statement to possibly mean every stove is created equal, and really want to know whether that is what he meant, why not ask that question? Whether you meant to or not, you did come across in the phrasing of your question as less than truly inquisitive. Another point is that we all respond to questions asked of others on this forum, whenever we have an interest. You can send a PM if you only want a response from one person. On this forum, dddddden has a right to say his two cents in response to any post you make. And your response to one of his responses was .... well, you choose a word to describe it.

I don't know a thing about Mike, and have no axe to grind here. Just would like to see the forum remain the civilized and informative place it is, where several manufacturers keep tabs and respond in a fashion that is helpful to us all. And I think that is all ddddddden is trying to do.

Without meaning to, I've said some things that have upset people on the Forum. When I realize I have done so, I try to look at the statement I've made from their point of view and either apologize, explain, rephrase or inquire. Or, in the last analysis, if all else fails, withdraw from the discussion....

Well I'm not out to upset anyone. Mike made a statement and I asked him a question. Duh took it upon himself to tell me I shouldn't be asking Mike a question but according to you duh has a right to respond to my post And he is telling me not to make the post. Don't ask Mike's time is so valuable and so on. Read the post.
So I ask duh to let Mike answer the question I asked but duh isn't satisfied and continues to make comments to my post. If a man asks you to let it be and let Mike respond ,would you continue making comments?

Duh wants to tell me I can't ask a question and you write your whole post to me and leave out the blatant fact that duh wasn't just responding to a post he absolutely told me I shouldn't pose the question. So hey I get it.

I wanted to really know what Mike thought but duh pissed me off and I said what I said. As far as I'm concerned that is the end of it. No problem for me. I really lost interest in my original question to Mike.
I would apologize to Mike but I was just asking him a question about a post of HIS I read.

 

[ddddddden]

If you don't like steel stoves, you are free to say so. And you did. And Mike posted his opinion on steel vs. iron.
To continue with questions phrased like this

Does that mean you don't think the stoves you sell are better then another stove?

is just obnoxious.
And I'm free to say that I don't appreciate you harassing one of the very few manufacturers who takes time to post in this forum.


Disclaimer: I do not own a steel stove, and I know Mike only by his reputation here, which is excellent.


I won't be posting further off-topic in CR250's thread.
Please excuse the interruption.

 

[BrowningBAR]

I know many people here have steel stoves but I would not buy one. I was reading your posts and saw that you are going to save some money on a chimney installation. My suggestion to you is to spend 1500 to 2500 and buy a cast iron stove. It will last longer and look nicer and I think provide better heat.

As a current owner of both, steel and cast stoves, that is inaccurate.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

ok guys, im running outta olive branches here and i really do not want this thread to get ax'ed as the OP has a legit question and some things we need to get cleared up for him.

devolving into an arguement about my opinion on stoves aint helping. let get back to helping

 

[BrowningBAR]

I know you don't know the answer to that. It's kinda like when a child looks at a cow and a bull and doesn't really know the difference. Some people know the difference. Some people know when to shut up and some just keep on even after being ask nicely to but out. But you're a real pal of Mike's and you know his internal thought processes. Tell Mike I don't like those same as every other stoves. None better then any other.
Thanks buddie

Your entire string of posts in this thread are full of insults, condescending tones, wrong information and bad examples. Not one of your posts in this thread offered anything of value or aided the original poster in their needs.

Spend less time insulting other posters and a little more time reading.

"Thanks buddie"