Introducing the Hearthstone Lincoln
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BKVP
Minister of Fire
The new FRM from EPA is not available. You could be referring to the ASTM3053 Cordwood method (which is an Alternative Test Method) ATM. EPA revoked the method in June of last year after discovering some real issues.
EPA should have the FRM in 2024 or 2025.
BKVP
BKVP
Minister of Fire
As we boneheaded folks design wood stoves to meet an ever changing landscape of emissions requirements, we decrease PM, but increase efficiency. A decrease in the heat loss in the stack is a major contributor to performance issues in rear vented stoves.
But we try....
BKVP
BKVP
Minister of Fire
BKVP
Minister of Fire
Our combustors are vertical in their integration, not horizontal. We've learned the impact of horizontal designs in the 1980's.
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TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
BKVP
Minister of Fire
I noticed that also, assumed it was just because he’s demonstrating but then again, demonstrate it correctly. I like how easily accessible the cat seems to be, but I’m not sure about having the lever pulled out in front of the stove like that while waiting for it to heat. Wouldn’t that be in the way a bit?
Looks like a nice alternative to the C3 though, I like that you can manually control the air intake.
Looks like a nice alternative to the C3 though, I like that you can manually control the air intake.
Not sure how accessible the cat is for maintenance? Looks like it’s on top of the baffle in bypass mode then shoved over the flue collar to engage. How would you get to the cat to vacuum or brush off?
Found this vid showing how to get at the cat. It’s a handsome little stove. I’ve no experience with soapstone but I imagine that would really improve the heat output of an overnight burn on a stove this small.
I've had this stove since March of 2024. At first I was thrilled, it truly does put out a lot of heat. But as I've learned to live with it, the design flaws really come to light.
First off is the catalytic converter. It is a simple rectangle of folded metal that sits in a sled. The silver wire handle you see at the top of the stove is how you slide the sled in and out of the chimney. There is a gasket around the top of the sled, and this gasket quickly wears out and begins catching on the opening and making it more and more difficult and eventually impossible to move the sled. Twice now I've had to fuss and fidget until I could get it pulled out enough to remove the piece of gasket that comes out of the sled and tangles into a knot. It's also a very clumsy way to engage/disengage the converter. It has to be left out until the stove meets a certain temperature, shown by a little dial on the side of the chimney. This means that the whole time you're loading the stove and it's warming up, that stupid handle is sticking out into your living space, and is constantly in the way when loading the stove. The sled channels also get out of whack over time (No, I've never overfired the stove!) and even if the gasket isn't stuck, the sled becomes very difficult to use. It's a very poor design. I had this stove professionally installed, and went back to the dealer about the problems with the sled. It took over a week for Hearthstone to respond to their call about it, and when they did, it turns out this is a known problem and there's some sort of retro-fit kit available. Unfortunately, they still haven't shipped that to my dealer and it's been three weeks now. That's the second red flag, that the company can't be bothered to provide good customer service to a dealer that sells their stoves.
Thirdly, don't believe that this stove will burn 18" logs. It has a very tiny firebox. An 18" log will only fit if it's a very thin split, the stove is empty, and you angle it from a lower corner up and across to a high corner, which obviously makes it hard to get it to burn, and prevents adding another log. You can get a 16" log in, again if it's a thin split and if the stove is empty and you put it in at an angle. But if there are any coals built up, or partial logs in place, forget about it, the full-sized logs or splits are just NOT going to fit.
Fourth, there is a baffle, that looks and feels like a piece of drywall crossed with a bit of cement board, that forms the top of the interior firebox. The firebox is so very small that it's almost impossible to load without bumping into that baffle. Even though I have been very careful, the baffle broke and fell into the firebox after about three months of use. I couldn't get a hold of anyone at Hearthstone, but was able to find the correct baffle on the jungle website for about 50 bucks. Replacing it was pretty simple.
Depending on the wood used, burn time is 4 to 6 hours at best. Not a big deal for me as I work from home so can keep reloading it.
All that said, I do use the stove as the primary heat source for my home. It keeps the main living area warm and I can leave the furnace turned down, or off, depending on the weather, so it has saved me a lot of money in natural gas. I've adapted my wood cutting and splitting to make small splits no more than 14" long, which has alleviated a lot of frustration with normal sized logs. It is easy to clean out with a small coal shovel, and if using good seasoned wood, it produces a lot of heat. The soap stone sides continue to radiate warmth for a while after the fire goes out. So if you have a source of smaller firewood, and can live with the catalytic converter problems, this can be a good little stove.
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First off is the catalytic converter. It is a simple rectangle of folded metal that sits in a sled. The silver wire handle you see at the top of the stove is how you slide the sled in and out of the chimney. There is a gasket around the top of the sled, and this gasket quickly wears out and begins catching on the opening and making it more and more difficult and eventually impossible to move the sled. Twice now I've had to fuss and fidget until I could get it pulled out enough to remove the piece of gasket that comes out of the sled and tangles into a knot. It's also a very clumsy way to engage/disengage the converter. It has to be left out until the stove meets a certain temperature, shown by a little dial on the side of the chimney. This means that the whole time you're loading the stove and it's warming up, that stupid handle is sticking out into your living space, and is constantly in the way when loading the stove. The sled channels also get out of whack over time (No, I've never overfired the stove!) and even if the gasket isn't stuck, the sled becomes very difficult to use. It's a very poor design. I had this stove professionally installed, and went back to the dealer about the problems with the sled. It took over a week for Hearthstone to respond to their call about it, and when they did, it turns out this is a known problem and there's some sort of retro-fit kit available. Unfortunately, they still haven't shipped that to my dealer and it's been three weeks now. That's the second red flag, that the company can't be bothered to provide good customer service to a dealer that sells their stoves.
Thirdly, don't believe that this stove will burn 18" logs. It has a very tiny firebox. An 18" log will only fit if it's a very thin split, the stove is empty, and you angle it from a lower corner up and across to a high corner, which obviously makes it hard to get it to burn, and prevents adding another log. You can get a 16" log in, again if it's a thin split and if the stove is empty and you put it in at an angle. But if there are any coals built up, or partial logs in place, forget about it, the full-sized logs or splits are just NOT going to fit.
Fourth, there is a baffle, that looks and feels like a piece of drywall crossed with a bit of cement board, that forms the top of the interior firebox. The firebox is so very small that it's almost impossible to load without bumping into that baffle. Even though I have been very careful, the baffle broke and fell into the firebox after about three months of use. I couldn't get a hold of anyone at Hearthstone, but was able to find the correct baffle on the jungle website for about 50 bucks. Replacing it was pretty simple.
Depending on the wood used, burn time is 4 to 6 hours at best. Not a big deal for me as I work from home so can keep reloading it.
All that said, I do use the stove as the primary heat source for my home. It keeps the main living area warm and I can leave the furnace turned down, or off, depending on the weather, so it has saved me a lot of money in natural gas. I've adapted my wood cutting and splitting to make small splits no more than 14" long, which has alleviated a lot of frustration with normal sized logs. It is easy to clean out with a small coal shovel, and if using good seasoned wood, it produces a lot of heat. The soap stone sides continue to radiate warmth for a while after the fire goes out. So if you have a source of smaller firewood, and can live with the catalytic converter problems, this can be a good little stove.
Yeah I wasn’t too keen on that cat system when I looked at it. I’ve wondered how some of these hearthstone hybrid stoves would work without the cats? I was also surprised when the local dealer told me he has recommended removing the cats to some of his customers due to issues he’s seen.
I may or may not have simply removed the stupid thing whilst waiting for Hearthstone to ship the fix it version to my dealer. Theoretically if I had done so, I could probably assume that there was very little difference in stove efficiency or amount of visible smoke coming from the chimney.
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