lctatlp said:My right hand is far back from the muffler, on that steel handle. It is a little scary because sometimes it kicks. Lots of power, maybe too much.
Bubbavh said:If it were me I would buy a more modern saw with a break on it. Them old saws are a bit dangerous. A new saw is much cheaper than a trip to the Emergency room!
just my .02
Backwoods Savage said:Bubbavh said:If it were me I would buy a more modern saw with a break on it. Them old saws are a bit dangerous. A new saw is much cheaper than a trip to the Emergency room!
just my .02
That is not necessarily true about the danger. Sorry, but many folks have run those saws for years without any problems. Shoot, the saw I started with was an old gear drive with no safely frills. Heavy bugger though.
Danger is sometimes over-rated. Folks want to be protected from all so-called danger and then they seem to manufacture more danger out of lesser things.
Joe in MI said:I agree with Dennis. Danger is sometimes over-rated. I think its a tomatoe / tomato kind of thing. You say the saw is more dangerous, I say you have to be more careful. Almost all of the machinery and tools I use is older (because I am married and have kids and its what I can afford) and has little to nothing in the way of safety guards, etc. I have to consiously think about safety ALL THE TIME when I'm using that stuff. On a new table saw with the safety drive thing (can't think of the name) IF you somehow get your thumb past the numerous guards, the saw will stop the blade as soon as it somehow senses it's cutting something softer than wood. My table saw will glady cut my hand off and not even feel bad about it. Accidents do happen, but in MOST cases they result from user-error. Safety stuff like chain brakes cover your backside when you make a mistake. I have seen people doing REALLY stupid things with equipment, counting on the "safety" measures to keep them safe.
That said - saws like that XL-12 are scary beasts. They're fun to use, but you have to be careful. I might try to slip my dad's old one in the truck next time I'm home, but for some reason he doesn't like me to be unattended in his shop........
smokinjay said:Joe in MI said:I agree with Dennis. Danger is sometimes over-rated. I think its a tomatoe / tomato kind of thing. You say the saw is more dangerous, I say you have to be more careful. Almost all of the machinery and tools I use is older (because I am married and have kids and its what I can afford) and has little to nothing in the way of safety guards, etc. I have to consiously think about safety ALL THE TIME when I'm using that stuff. On a new table saw with the safety drive thing (can't think of the name) IF you somehow get your thumb past the numerous guards, the saw will stop the blade as soon as it somehow senses it's cutting something softer than wood. My table saw will glady cut my hand off and not even feel bad about it. Accidents do happen, but in MOST cases they result from user-error. Safety stuff like chain brakes cover your backside when you make a mistake. I have seen people doing REALLY stupid things with equipment, counting on the "safety" measures to keep them safe.
That said - saws like that XL-12 are scary beasts. They're fun to use, but you have to be careful. I might try to slip my dad's old one in the truck next time I'm home, but for some reason he doesn't like me to be unattended in his shop........
Its the saw stop. Big money, my dad has one. Little to sensitive and cost you ever time it goes off.
Thistle said:smokinjay said:Joe in MI said:I agree with Dennis. Danger is sometimes over-rated. I think its a tomatoe / tomato kind of thing. You say the saw is more dangerous, I say you have to be more careful. Almost all of the machinery and tools I use is older (because I am married and have kids and its what I can afford) and has little to nothing in the way of safety guards, etc. I have to consiously think about safety ALL THE TIME when I'm using that stuff. On a new table saw with the safety drive thing (can't think of the name) IF you somehow get your thumb past the numerous guards, the saw will stop the blade as soon as it somehow senses it's cutting something softer than wood. My table saw will glady cut my hand off and not even feel bad about it. Accidents do happen, but in MOST cases they result from user-error. Safety stuff like chain brakes cover your backside when you make a mistake. I have seen people doing REALLY stupid things with equipment, counting on the "safety" measures to keep them safe.
That said - saws like that XL-12 are scary beasts. They're fun to use, but you have to be careful. I might try to slip my dad's old one in the truck next time I'm home, but for some reason he doesn't like me to be unattended in his shop........
Its the saw stop. Big money, my dad has one. Little to sensitive and cost you ever time it goes off.
Yup I checked them out.Looks good but there's no substitute for common sense,no matter how expensive the equipment may be.Every 'safety item imaginable on a saw,tool or vehicle wont help if the operator is an idiot to begin with.
1st chainsaw I used was Dad's Poulan 3400 when I was 17.Only about 8000 RPM,but run like a striped-ass ape,with no chain brake or even a front hand guard.And we didnt have that worthless 'safety chain' with the folded over rakers either.Wasnt made back then.Full Chisel is what was sold at farm supply store,hardware store & all saw/small engine dealers & is all I've ever known/used.
smokinjay said:Thistle said:smokinjay said:Joe in MI said:I agree with Dennis. Danger is sometimes over-rated. I think its a tomatoe / tomato kind of thing. You say the saw is more dangerous, I say you have to be more careful. Almost all of the machinery and tools I use is older (because I am married and have kids and its what I can afford) and has little to nothing in the way of safety guards, etc. I have to consiously think about safety ALL THE TIME when I'm using that stuff. On a new table saw with the safety drive thing (can't think of the name) IF you somehow get your thumb past the numerous guards, the saw will stop the blade as soon as it somehow senses it's cutting something softer than wood. My table saw will glady cut my hand off and not even feel bad about it. Accidents do happen, but in MOST cases they result from user-error. Safety stuff like chain brakes cover your backside when you make a mistake. I have seen people doing REALLY stupid things with equipment, counting on the "safety" measures to keep them safe.
That said - saws like that XL-12 are scary beasts. They're fun to use, but you have to be careful. I might try to slip my dad's old one in the truck next time I'm home, but for some reason he doesn't like me to be unattended in his shop........
Its the saw stop. Big money, my dad has one. Little to sensitive and cost you ever time it goes off.
Yup I checked them out.Looks good but there's no substitute for common sense,no matter how expensive the equipment may be.Every 'safety item imaginable on a saw,tool or vehicle wont help if the operator is an idiot to begin with.
1st chainsaw I used was Dad's Poulan 3400 when I was 17.Only about 8000 RPM,but run like a striped-ass ape,with no chain brake or even a front hand guard.And we didnt have that worthless 'safety chain' with the folded over rakers either.Wasnt made back then.Full Chisel is what was sold at farm supply store,hardware store & all saw/small engine dealers & is all I've ever known/used.
That table saw is as accurate as I have ever used, but when that safety thing goes off you have to have the factory re-set it. (Or something like that) Cant remember exactly.
XL-12, forerunner to the SXL auto. There aren't many new saws 58cc that can pull a 24" bar with standard 3/8 chain. Has a very torquey reed valve engine. This is a professional grade saw, Randylctatlp said:I got this from my dad who got it from his neighbor.
I went up to Salisbury MA and got it tuned up and holy crap does this saw rip
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