Well they never tested their ceiling box with a homemade extension either.
The bottom of the insulation shield is a perfect fit on the ceiling box.
Excellent point
Well they never tested their ceiling box with a homemade extension either.
The bottom of the insulation shield is a perfect fit on the ceiling box.
Correct. Unless there is no insulation.I do not see an insulation shield around the bottom area of the chimney which is required.
Unless there is no insulation.
What is the specific page and text of the manual that you feel is in conflict? Rather than spending a lot for something unnecessary, ping Mike Holton here (Englander support) @stoveguy2esw for clarification. Also, you will want to use at least 1/2" Durock for more rigidity on top of micore. Micore is soft and spongy.Thanks for the input. I will defer to Local. I really don't think I need a wall shield but may be stuck with building one because of the conflicts in the manual. I ordered a 4x8 sheet of 3/4 Micore 300 so all i will need to build it is some 1/4 Durock and tile.
I'm still studying on the attic insulation shield. It would not be that difficult to box in the affected space with MSD or paneling so it is isolated from the rest of the attic. There is plenty of clearance to do this. In that case I would only need an attic insulation shield for the insulation on the added framing. I found one on clearance at HD for 8 bucks . I'm going to have a bunch of paneling pulled off the wall that I can use for that purpose so the materials are cheap.
you will want to use at least 1/2" Durock for more rigidity on top of micore. Micore is soft and spongy.
That's what I'm using on the floor. I assumed it wouldn't matter on the wall since it will just be hanging there blocking heat. I was just trying to put the extra Micore to good use. But if a wall board will be required, I may just use 1/2 Durock and tile.
In regards to conficts...
page 11, "3. If non-combustible materials have been installed on the walls, obtain the minimum clearances from either the manufacturer of these materials or the local building inspector’s office."
Sounds like Mike needs to do some cleanup for the next publication of this manual. Non-combustibles are non-combustible. Clearance requirements are to combustibles.
Page 9,
2. Wall Protection
Please see Illustration 1 for clearances to walls. In some areas local codes may require thirty-six inches (36”) from a combustible, therefore it is very important that you check with local officials. If you need to place your unit closer to a combustible wall, some protection will be necessary. If an approved wall board is used this will reduce your clearance by two thirds (2/3); however, a one inch (1”) air space has to be between the board and the wall.
I have never run into this except for an occasional insurance adjuster that has not updated their documentation since the early 1980s. The stove manual is the final and tested document guiding clearances to combustibles. When in doubt, ask the local inspecting authority.
Then in illustration 1 (attached), it talks about heat shields being used for double wall pipe. Heat shields where? When? in the corner or parallel with the wall? Added side heat shields are shown in another illustration. Is this where those apply? Illustration 1 shows no wall protection. It looks to me like they are trying to tell me that if i use double wall pipe, I have to move the stove out 2" more from the finished wall than if i were using single wall pipe... which by the way requires 18" clearance. And why is the difference between B and C 3" for single wall and 3'5 for double wall. Isn't this distance controlled by the location of the stove outlet in respect to the back of the stove? Not a legit set of requirements in my uneducated opinion.
We ran into this issue once and had to call Englander for clarification.There was an old 13NC thread questioning Mike on why the larger rear clearance for double-wall. I can't remember the exact reason, but this is what measurement came out of testing the stove IIRC.
I would use sheet metal for the shield.
In my case, it was required for code. I'd rather work with wood because I'm more used to it but sheet metal is very cheap and workable. If you have a sheet metal fabricator near you, you can probably get it made for $10. I just had some work done and it was cheaper than buying the metal at HD. I was surprised.Any particular reasoning for your suggestion?
Sheet metal is a non combustible vs. old paneling which is very combustible. Besides that, mice, squirrels, etc. will chew through a barrier of paneling in minutes and can make a great nest in the warm empty area against your chimney.
The elbow can go right into the adaptor. It won't hurt performance and looks best up at the top. It's the best place for it.That makes sense to me. Dang varmints! I do have a sheet metal shop in town. I'll draw up something and see what they charge.
Sort of changing the subject here, but I'm trying to determine if a 45* stove pipe will mate to the ASE stovepipe adapter, and if it will, is it a good idea? I think it will look better and i can make the clearances since the chimney will be 3" into the room. The install is going to require a two way offset, so to speak. A little north-south and a little east-west. I can drop it down 6" or 12" but it wont do anything for the aesthetics.
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