We should be sure the OP clearly understands the difference between insert and ZC.That's a bummer. Have you looked into an insert? You have to make sure it's approved for your prefab. My Lopi insert has a list of approved ZC fireplace installs in the manual. You have to know what you've got and make sure it is approved.
I’m not sure what fuel you feed to that furnace, but you clearly have not checked oil prices, recently.I like hearing this. The PF30 is too big for my install site unfortunately. But any ZC that can heat reasonably would be great. 4 cords year? Wow. As long as I get access to free wood could I could i get close to that. Buying is out of the question. $250-300/cord usually. Thats not saving money. Might as well turn the furnace up to 75.
I would still recommend at least exploring the potential for an insert. It may be that the model ZC fireplace you currently have will not accommodate one. But if it does, it will be an effective heater, will look good, and will not require tearing the wall out. It would be a fairly simple install. Once again, this depends on the model you currently have, and compatibility with what you put in.Yea when I do this, the whole wall is going, with a new stone veneer, and any clearances accommodated with the wall. I have a new natural gas furnace, and spend $700 a year to heat the house, not including the sunroom, which needs its own hyper heat pump mini split to be efficient. Gotta have the SO comfortable, she uses it as her office year round.
I've already contacted Heatilator, and have the manual. No options for insert with their product. This thing is from 1982. I can't get any of their proprietary chimney pipe either, which is what started me down the road of replacement project. The chimney leaked a little. I could alter the chimney cap design to put stainless steel air-cooled cap with stainless steel chase cover, but that is a UL/insurance issue. It would be safer. But no company will touch it without the UL listed pipe. Honestly I could just upgrade the cap and deal with the massive inefficiency, but that is $1000 to do it myself in parts. Their chimney design looked like a safety issue, so i won't run it that way with the original cap.I would still recommend at least exploring the potential for an insert. It may be that the model ZC fireplace you currently have will not accommodate one. But if it does, it will be an effective heater, will look good, and will not require tearing the wall out. It would be a fairly simple install. Once again, this depends on the model you currently have, and compatibility with what you put in.
I know the Lopi large flush and medium flush are compatible with a few different models of ZC fireplace. Refer to the manual on the Lopi website for details.
Or maybe you have other reasons you don't like the idea of an insert.
Just FYI: Heatilator is listed in the Lopi manual as a compatible ZC for the Medium Flush or Large Flush insert. It says there is a Travis ZC liner kit available from Duravent.I've already contacted Heatilator, and have the manual. No options for insert with their product. This thing is from 1982. I can't get any of their proprietary chimney pipe either, which is what started me down the road of replacement project. The chimney leaked a little. I could alter the chimney cap design to put stainless steel air-cooled cap with stainless steel chase cover, but that is a UL/insurance issue. It would be safer. But no company will touch it without the UL listed pipe. Honestly I could just upgrade the cap and deal with the massive inefficiency, but that is $1000 to do it myself in parts. Their chimney design looked like a safety issue, so i won't run it that way with the original cap.
I did look into this. Can't find anybody to actually install it in my area.That's a bummer. Have you looked into an insert? You have to make sure it's approved for your prefab. My Lopi insert has a list of approved ZC fireplace installs in the manual. You have to know what you've got and make sure it is approved.
This is extremely helpful and reassuring. I'm now resigned to doing a ZC despite the extra effort/cost. I would have done the insert option but the only installer in my area who could have done the work had an insurance change or something that mandated they stop doing it as of 1/1/22. Apparently installing inserts into prefab fireplaces is being phased out due to safety concerns.Fwiw. We put in a zc in our new build home (2018) The heat output is remarkable.
I never planned on it being able to heat the entire home (3100sqft mainfloor AND 3100sqft basement) but it does.
Our forced air propane furnace does not come on at all.
We have one remote duct that goes to the fully insulated basement.
In a power outage i would either run my generator to power the fans or run small loads without the fans.
Our choice was to install the PE fp30 and couldn't be any happier. I did look into the RSF line of zero clearance fireplaces as well. For reference
We burn aprox. 4 cord a year in the house. 2.5 loads per day keeps the house very warm in the depths of winter 1 full load in the morning,1/2 load when I get home from work 1 full load before bed. Usable coals for 10-12 hrs with hardwood.
I recently went through a similar saga but didn't have an option for a freestanding stove. I gave up and trusted a dealer who convinced me that an insert for my drafty old zero clearance would solve the issue, and I wildly regret it. Now it's a nice insert in a drafty old fireplace; still drafty and cold when the fire isn't running and super inefficient when the fire is running due to all the air it sucks up through the chimney to cool the fireplace and the venting.Update for anybody who cares...
Had an installer out yesterday. Basically, running the chimney for a free standing stove is going to be super complicated. I'd have to box off some living space upstairs or have my chimney stick out so far from the roof of my house that I'd need a scissor lift to access the cap. I'm totally bummed about it. Looks like I'm going to have to convert the prefab to a high efficiency ZC unit if I want to burn wood for heat.
Yes but if heatilator says no inserts in this fireplace it doesn't matter what lopi says it can't be done.Just FYI: Heatilator is listed in the Lopi manual as a compatible ZC for the Medium Flush or Large Flush insert. It says there is a Travis ZC liner kit available from Duravent.
Again heatilator told him no inserts in his fireplace. Doesn't matter if it's wood or gas it isn't allowedIf your happy with natural gas and have limited access / interest in processing wood, then why not consider a gas insert?
You may be able to find one that slides right into your existing setup with minimal alterations required?
A gas stove still works without hydro and would provide some heat in a power outage scenario..
Did you ever purchase and install the Montgomery? If so, what do you think?I am looking at that same WFP-75, called Montgomery i believe. I'd like to hear how you do with it, its my leading option, at least until I rip the place apart and get actual measurements. The larger systems won't fit in my corner install, its 88" across. Valcourt has a single door model, same as Osburn. The small PE 16 will also fit. I dont want to heat my self out of the room, which is what i think a stove would do. I've got an open sunroom that pours cold air into the room, any upgrade to ZC high eff or stove will help that. Probably going to install mini split hyper heat first in sunroom, the PTAC heat pump doesn't cut it where i am at.
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