got to love Mass government??????

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I helps if you have ever started and run a business ,(or tried to start one) to see both sides of this equation. Its incredibly expensive. Big jumps in minimum wage will put many people out of business and out of work. Iv given up entirely paying employees trying to expand. Im almost retired and its just me and my son from here on out.
 
I will observe one local phenomenon. Seattle voted to increase the minimum wage to $15. There were all sorts of dire predictions about this change. .
That wont work here. A teachers starting salary is about $15Hr A man enlisting in the army is $9 Hr. Start paying double Min wage for unskilled work here and of course every one will want double their existing wage. Everything would have to double to compensate. Would anyone really be better off?
 
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That wont work here. A teachers starting salary is about $15Hr A man enlisting in the army is $9 Hr. Start paying double Min wage for unskilled work here and of course every one will want double their existing wage. Everything would have to double to compensate. Would anyone really be better off?
Unbelievable that a teacher starts out at that low wage. They are so important. Army comparison not useful considering the starting wage includes training, food, shelter, medical.
 
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That wont work here. A teachers starting salary is about $15Hr A man enlisting in the army is $9 Hr. Start paying double Min wage for unskilled work here and of course every one will want double their existing wage. Everything would have to double to compensate. Would anyone really be better off?
That is the attitude that keeps things from changing and has gotten us to this point. I think min should be around 12. And it will take a few steps to get there but we have to start somewhere.
 
I helps if you have ever started and run a business ,(or tried to start one) to see both sides of this equation. Its incredibly expensive. Big jumps in minimum wage will put many people out of business and out of work. Iv given up entirely paying employees trying to expand. Im almost retired and its just me and my son from here on out.
So you dont want an increase in min wage you would rather we continue to subsidize companies who choose to pay to little for their employees to live on by giving those employees welfare?
 
So you dont want an increase in min wage you would rather we continue to subsidize companies who choose to pay to little for their employees to live on by giving those employees welfare?
The companies around here left long ago, Mines and textile industries. Were doing worse the subsidizing them, we left china and asia take them. I dont think iv ever spoken in favor of more welfare. Welfare programs passed out minimum wage years ago.
 
That is the attitude that keeps things from changing and has gotten us to this point. I think min should be around 12. And it will take a few steps to get there but we have to start somewhere.
Every area is different ,not about attitude. No industry here to support the same wage as Seattle. The 2 largest employers around here are probably the prison and wal-mart. For 20'000 people. If theres enough industry to support it minimum wage goes up on its own. Gradual increases can be absorbed but not doubling overnight like so many were marching in the streets for.
 
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Unbelievable that a teacher starts out at that low wage. They are so important. Army comparison not useful considering the starting wage includes training, food, shelter, medical.
In many cases you can compare it to army.Minimum wage earners frequently live at home with their parents ,where those same things are provided already up until 26 yrs old. At least that was before people started expecting to raise a family on minimum wage ,and then blaming their employer when they have a hard time.
 
We are getting a medical Marijuana Grow Facility soon so that should jump start the place.:p
 
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Unbelievable that a teacher starts out at that low wage. They are so important. Army comparison not useful considering the starting wage includes training, food, shelter, medical.
Starting teacher salary was around 30K which is roughly $15Hr. It bumped up a bit recently with the new contract but gives a good indication of the wage base locally.
 
The companies around here left long ago, Mines and textile industries. Were doing worse the subsidizing them, we left china and asia take them. I dont think iv ever spoken in favor of more welfare. Welfare programs passed out minimum wage years ago.
No but by not supporting increasing min wage to a working wage you are supporting welfare to subsidise those workers.
 
Unbelievable that a teacher starts out at that low wage. They are so important. Army comparison not useful considering the starting wage includes training, food, shelter, medical.
Scale that by 1.33, for summers they can spend at the beach or take another job, plus vacation time, plus the pension that no one in private industry will ever receive, plus the protection of tenure, and a very strong union.

Teaching is one of the best gigs around, for folks not ambitious enough to pursue medicine, engineering, or law.
 
Every area is different ,not about attitude. No industry here to support the same wage as Seattle. The 2 largest employers around here are probably the prison and wal-mart. For 20'000 people. If theres enough industry to support it minimum wage goes up on its own. Gradual increases can be absorbed but not doubling overnight like so many were marching in the streets for.
So you say starting wage in your area is double min wage. So does that mean wslmart is starting at 14.50 by you??? And claiming min wage goes up on its own simply is not supported by fact
 
Scale that by 1.33, for summers they can spend at the beach or take another job, plus vacation time, plus the pension that no one in private industry will ever receive, plus the protection of tenure, and a very strong union.

Teaching is one of the best gigs around, for folks not ambitious enough to pursue medicine, engineering, or law.
That depends entirely upin where you are. And yes for the most part they have off summers. But they put in lots of hours during the school year. Much more than most others
 
Untill a recent job change which now comes with a 1 hour commute my wife with a bachelors degree in accounting was making 12.50 as a maintenance dispatcher for a local grocery store chain. She was one of the highest paid people in the administrative pool. Starting wages for floor workers in the few factory jobs left is around 11 with a top wage for floor workers of 18. And there is tons of competition for those few jobs.
Then her skill set does not match the needs of the area.
I have done multiple moves to make sure my skill set is in high demand. I have also refused to move to areas where there was only a few good places to work for my skill set...for insurance in case the job in question ever ended.
 
Then her skill set does not match the needs of the area.
I have done multiple moves to make sure my skill set is in high demand. I have also refused to move to areas where there was only a few good places to work for my skill set...for insurance in case the job in question ever ended.
Or the company could compensate their empolyees more instead of the owners buying bentleys and private jets. Yes multiples on both of those items. I have a problem with company and executive profits increasing consistently while employees see benifits cut and no increases in wages. It is simply greed at the top and a complete lack of concern for their employees.
 
Scale that by 1.33, for summers they can spend at the beach or take another job, plus vacation time, plus the pension that no one in private industry will ever receive, plus the protection of tenure, and a very strong union.

Teaching is one of the best gigs around, for folks not ambitious enough to pursue medicine, engineering, or law.
Teachers don't get the whole summer off or have a lot of protection locally. Many get July off, but are working on curricula and class prep in August. They also put in some long hours, both in school and at home. Locally, it took a state initiative and a court order to finally get them a pay raise. When one considers the importance of good teachers and their importance in preparing the next generation for the future of the country, their work is essential. And many have masters or even doctorates and probably are among the poorer paid profession considering the amount of education they have. If you have the misfortune of being in a state where teachers are under attack by the legislature then the situation gets worse. Ask a teacher in NC about that.
Teaching is one of the best gigs around, for folks not ambitious enough to pursue medicine, engineering, or law.
That's a very condescending statement and quite untrue. It takes good, intelligent and special people that put the advocation of teaching above personal gains, especially these days when they not only have to deal with poorly raised kids, but also their hyper-entitled parents. It's a tough profession, walk a mile.
 
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Scale that by 1.33, for summers they can spend at the beach or take another job, plus vacation time, plus the pension that no one in private industry will ever receive, plus the protection of tenure, and a very strong union.

Teaching is one of the best gigs around, for folks not ambitious enough to pursue medicine, engineering, or law.
I agree that statement is completly out of line. It has nothing at all to do with ambition.
 
This would have been a normal conversation around 1988, but fact that this is the same wage 30 years later is astounding. Wages have not kept up the price of basics like education, health care, food, housing, transportation. The price of these basics has exploded. Poor people are worse off today than they ever have been. If they were paid a decent wage they wouldn't qualify for assistance and most would gladly work for overtime.

A great deal of what you are saying is very true. Additionally, our costs are up because our money doesn't have the same value.

Perhaps poor people are worse off w/o handouts but with them, they really aren't poor.

My only point in this is that w/o handouts people work harder to get were they need to go. That's my only point. I'll remove my high horse now. :)
 
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I agree that statement is completly out of line. It has nothing at all to do with ambition.
The math is wrong any way. Our teachers are working up through late June and back prepping by mid-August. Some teachers I know are never off the job. They are always gathering interesting class material, training, volunteering.
 
Or the company could compensate their empolyees more instead of the owners buying bentleys and private jets. Yes multiples on both of those items. I have a problem with company and executive profits increasing consistently while employees see benifits cut and no increases in wages. It is simply greed at the top and a complete lack of concern for their employees.

It is greed for those owners to have Bentleys but not greed for you to want more money?

Interesting perspective. I deserve what they have even though I have not worked for it.

As we have had this conversation in another thread....I have a very rich owner of a private company and he treats us very well. If this other company sucks, leave. And/Or...get another skill set that pays more.
 
So you say starting wage in your area is double min wage. So does that mean wslmart is starting at 14.50 by you??? And claiming min wage goes up on its own simply is not supported by fact
Where did i say min wage is double? I said people are marching demanding double. Wal mart pays above min wage here about 10 to start.. The prison pays a lot more. So min wage means nothing at the 2 largest employers. Those paying minimum are mostly retail store and they are going under left and right so not a lot of Bentlys and jets being purchased by them .
 
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No but by not supporting increasing min wage to a working wage you are supporting welfare to subsidise those workers.
I didnt say i dont support it, i said i dont support doubling it overnight,or trying to match it because places like Seattle are doing it,very different. Im saying business that are paying min that are barely staying afloat (and there are many) Cannot pay more or many would. Tying it to inflation would make sense.
 
Or the company could compensate their empolyees more instead of the owners buying bentleys and private jets. .
Most likely a very small % of business are that cash rich. Certainly not in Central Pa except the Non profit Geisinger Hospital network. I have their overpriced HC insurance and it takes 7 months to get an appointment to have a neurology test done, 7 months. THey must be paying 1 doctor to do the whole state,yet they are buying up every medical facility in a 200 mile radius.
 
Teaching is one of the best gigs around, for folks not ambitious enough to pursue medicine, engineering, or law.
Its certainly one of the best gigs around here. My daughter is working full time while persuing a teaching degree. Not much else around other than nursing that pays well.and teaching doesnt involve collecting bodily fluids.
 
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