we have been using the wax and chip type from a hardware store, a box of 36 gives us about twice that many starts. We usually went thru a box and a half each winter with our fireplace. We started last winter with a box, still have 2/3rds of a box left. But before next winter we WILL order SuperC's.. we were kind of on the fence about it, but honestly, after his offer of help for Gooserider, we knew we would be using his product for a long time. I want to find out how we get them with the "Hearth.com" logo I was reading about..lol ( I am sure there is a joke or something in there from before our time here on the board...)