I was never able to run it long enough to experience that kind of buildup. I think that is a good sign.
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I was never able to run it long enough to experience that kind of buildup. I think that is a good sign.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
I think HY-C is in violation of the phase 1 EPA regs at this point...from what I understand (and this came directly from another manufacturer after I made a suggestion about a minor improvement that could be made to their units) they are not allowed to change anything from how the furnace was tested...nothing, nada, zero...not even a label...at least not without getting it retested.
Not only are they (HY-C) making changes in the way it works...but there is NO WAY that these things would even come remotely close to passing the phase 1 test running the way they are running for y'all!
Not only are they (HY-C) making changes in the way it works...but there is NO WAY that these things would even come remotely close to passing the phase 1 test running the way they are running for y'all!
I agree 100%.
From what I’m seeing this would not pass during the idle stage. They were not allowing enough air prior to changing this that it would have put out any emissions and now if the initial fire has not gotten the wood to the point it is burning clean it will smoke like crazy. If it is ran for an hour or more with the blower going it will be clean when shut down. Other than that it is dirty as hell.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
If they last that long...no way that these units will be around after May 2020. (EPA phase 2)
EDIT: Of course, at this point, nobody but Lamppa/Kuuma will be!
EDIT: Of course, at this point, nobody but Lamppa/Kuuma will be!
Apollo kid
New Member
I guess the guy that's being contacted is up the ladder from Nathan, I've been in contact with Nathan quite a few times, followed everything he told me to try, he told me out 3,600 sold, only two others were having these problems, I guess trying to make me
feel like I'm doing something wrong, he never returned my last email, maybe to busy with other complaints. I burned a non EPA stove for 30 years, granted there is a lot to adjust to with these units, but even my dealer agrees it should not take 30 minutes or more to have your stove burning properly
Mrpelletburner
Minister of Fire
Same story, was told that I was the only one with the puff back. Perhaps most folks haven’t searched the web and found their forum.
Nate is a great guy, was luck to meet him in person, however he wears a lot of hats. Like anyone they get caught up in the day to day and don’t have enough time to respond. You have to email or call daily or every other day. I am sure there is a dart board in someone’s office with my photo as a target.
I love the standard response about thousands sold and only a few having problems. I grew up burning wood, if someone who has zero experience was having problems then I could understand. When I called him back I was told the engineer would be contacting me. Still waiting and what pissed me off was there are over 20 emails between us and he started going over everything from the beginning again. I will be off Tuesday and making more calls.
By the way, I made a complaint to the EPA.
Apollo kid
New Member
Mrpelletburner
Minister of Fire
Have you watched any of my YouTube videos?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrga7rkHILQsOibXbRyMqI_ZvpO3YnIEg
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrga7rkHILQsOibXbRyMqI_ZvpO3YnIEg
Yes i think i watched them all and watched the one of the explosion about 10 times. Iv been leaving the draft blower running for about an hr after i get the fire going good.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Yeah, that would have been good...but then we wouldn't have gotten to see your cool avatar pic! Gotta look at the bright side, right!?
woodey
Feeling the Heat
It will be interesting to see if the EPA reduces or suspends the current 2020 standards.
Apollo kid
New Member
Apollo kid
New Member
Mrpelletburner
Minister of Fire
maple1
Minister of Fire
Apollo kid
New Member
No, 24 guage pipe to a stainless steel liner that runs up through a ceramic lined concrete block chimney, I heard from my dealer today says fc engineering should contact me by Monday, we'll see.
425-450 during the peak burn. I’m surprised how much heat this will put out during that time also. My only guess is it’s holding onto that much heat and conpletely burning so temps are cooler.
Yes, very expensive vs single but, I only have 10” of clearance to the floor joists. At 600 flue temps I can lay my hand on it. Plus my basement was so cool I had a huge creosote problem with the single wall pipe.
Spent all day plumbing to install a new and second water heater I ran out of time to pull the outside clean out and get the borescope up to look at the horizontal pipe and the actual Class A pipe. Will do that tomorrow. It was 50 here today, far cry from 18 high last Thursday. I’m crossing my fingers that that will be good too.
Apollo kid
New Member
Mrpelletburner
Minister of Fire
Because my stove pipe was a similar distance to the top of my hot water storage, I used 1” ceramic insulation blanket. Definitely helps keep the flue temperatures higher.
Still just getting 7hrs from load to a cold stove.
Apollo kid
New Member
When I start a fire, cold start, I'll get pipe temperature up to 450-475, with load door cracked open, then try with the door closed, and just watch the temperature dwindle down, honest to God it just baffles me, did that blower help you in this area?
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