Do they make a left handed smoke bender? seriously I could use help

[mikefrommaine]

Or pour some of this down your flue every now and then

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[infinitymike]

Have you looked into any diferent types of caps?
There is one guy in town that moved up from BC and installed a wood stove in the house he bought.The new chimney has a cap that swivels around in the wind.Mabey something like that could swirl the air mixing the smoke up more.
Thomas

You mean one of these? http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/cool-attic-12-in-galvanized-standard-wind-turbine/0000000004781

I wonder what effect that would have on the draft.
Not that I think I have any real draft with only 10' of pipe. I think the fan pushes that exhaust right up and out.

 

[infinitymike]

Assumed this thread would be an April Fools joke... I'm a little disappointed...

ME TOO !

 

[infinitymike]

As for the request to taking him out by backing over him. I checked my appointment calender and it appears that my schedule is too busy to take the job at this time

I'm willing to wait until your schedule opens up.

 

[mikefrommaine]

Maybe you need to give him something else to complain about. Something that you can cave in on to keep him happy. But he get's a reputation as the town crybaby.

 

[infinitymike]

Or pour some of this down your flue every now and then

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Interesting.

I was thinking of burning a bottle of Febreze with every load.

 

[infinitymike]

Hey Mike from maine.

What happened to your biomass 60 and whats a V-gun(L)
or are you just mocking us WG owners.

 

[mikefrommaine]

Interesting.

I was thinking of burning a bottle of Febreze with every load.

Maybe soak some wood chips in it and stuff them in your cyclone?

 

[mikefrommaine]

Hey Mike from maine.

What happened to your biomass 60 and whats a V-gun(L)
or are you just mocking us WG owners.

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/bitter-sweet-day-tearing-out-my-biomass-60.108366/

 

[infinitymike]

Maybe soak some wood chips in it and stuff them in your cyclone?

Mmmm.... like mesquite... then I'll invite him over for dinner!

 

[mikefrommaine]

Mmmm.... like mesquite... then I'll invite him over for dinner!

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[infinitymike]

So of course since this incident last Thursday, I've been paying careful attention to HIS house.
I've noticed that he leaves his overhead garage door open ALL day and that he has a wall mounted AC unit on the inside wall of the garage.

So I'm sure if he would keep the door closed and put a cover on the AC unit he wouldn't have a problem.

Looks like I gotta go a knocking.

 

[infinitymike]

I Wonder if my neighbor posted this on The Weather Channel

 

[heaterman]

Maybe you need to give him something else to complain about. Something that you can cave in on to keep him happy. But he get's a reputation as the town crybaby.

Yah! Like talk one of his upwind neighbors into installing an OWB. He'll forget about you in a heartbeat.

 

[heaterman]

Incomplete combustion aside, these are my thoughts on the "acrid smell" from wood boilers in general. Stoves don't generally produce this smell due to the hotter surfaces in them. I think the non-wood like smells are from the tar formation in the combustion chaimber and them the ignition of this creosote during the burn process. Basically if you have some buildup after the secondary chiaimber (which wood gun is more prone to from my understanding) and it rekindles the fire and this stuff is vaporized your get the blackish smoke at worst or the smell and not much if any visible smoke at best. I've expieremneted by scraping off some of the flakey creosote in the upper chaimber and putting it in the the lower (freshly cleaned) chaimber and lighting a fire. The smell and non-wood like smoke is what comes out.

TS

You know Taylor.........you are probably on to something there. When I was at Windhager in Austria a few weeks ago, I noticed that their cord wood boiler had steel panels inside the firebox that stood off the actual sides of the water jacket. This would have the effect of insulating the water jacket walls in that area to avoid heavy buildup of creosote on them. It also allows the surface that "see's" the fire to attain much higher temperatures which I would assume helps to further elevate temperatures going into the secondary chamber for a cleaner burn. At the least it would prevent some of the solids from condensing in the relatively cool walls of the water jacket.

 

[salecker]

You mean one of these? http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/cool-attic-12-in-galvanized-standard-wind-turbine/0000000004781

I wonder what effect that would have on the draft.
Not that I think I have any real draft with only 10' of pipe. I think the fan pushes that exhaust right up and out.

No it's not that one,it has a tail like a weather vane.
Thomas

 

[BoilerMan]

Heaterman, to be completly honest, I've often wondered why someone doesn't design a boiler that is esentially an secondary baffled EPA stove inside a conventional water-jacketed boiler. All combustion gasses would only see the hot steel which would be completly seperated by an air space (1/2" or something close) from the water cooled steel. Basically a triple walled appliance:

Fire w/ simple secondary baffle (EPA stove),
Then hot steel (otuside of stove assy.)
Air space
Steel
Water
Steel
Insulation and boiler skin

I say all of thins because I've been very impressed with the simplicity of my EPA (Quadrafire Millenium) stove and how incredibly clean it burns with no birdging, primary or secondary air mixture issues, and simple firebrick on the bottom and sides. I think this could incorporate a firetubed turbolated HX, but my stove operates very well with 300F stack temps and I have never cleaned the chimney in 4 years (about 4 cord total through the stove). Always smoke free. Just some thoughts.

TS

 

[hiker88]

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You know Taylor.........you are probably on to something there. When I was at Windhager in Austria a few weeks ago, I noticed that their cord wood boiler had steel panels inside the firebox that stood off the actual sides of the water jacket. This would have the effect of insulating the water jacket walls in that area to avoid heavy buildup of creosote on them. It also allows the surface that "see's" the fire to attain much higher temperatures which I would assume helps to further elevate temperatures going into the secondary chamber for a cleaner burn. At the least it would prevent some of the solids from condensing in the relatively cool walls of the water jacket.

What kind of boiler is that? It looks almost the same as mine. Froling calls the removable plates inside the primary "cladding plates".

 

[infinitymike]

No it's not that one,it has a tail like a weather vane.
Thomas

Do you have a pic or link to the type you are referring to?

 

[__dan]

So of course since this incident last Thursday, I've been paying careful attention to HIS house.
I've noticed that he leaves his overhead garage door open ALL day and that he has a wall mounted AC unit on the inside wall of the garage.

So I'm sure if he would keep the door closed and put a cover on the AC unit he wouldn't have a problem.

Looks like I gotta go a knocking.

Hey Mike, I hope you give that some consideration. Do not tell him what to do, imo, it will only inflame the situation.

Legally, you may be in the clear burning cord wood, as long as there are no additives, regardless of the smoke. But it sounds like a sensitive situation. The neighbor will want his butt kissed, not his work list increased. In the end that's what you will have to depend on, your legality. His sensitivity to what he can smell could be anything, he could smell a barbecue at 200 ft. There could be no eliminating that, only mitigating measures.

Talked to my senile neighbor today, he called after getting tossed off my friend/neighbor's property. I listened and he complained his foyer was not wired and I said "get it inspected and sheet rock it" (which he disputed). He was reaching out, which is rare, and I was able to get my six ft. ladder and belt sander back from long term loan.

Have to add, he called the fire marshall who told him to call the health district, which he did. Cannot say more on a public board, but you guys who build surely have an idea..

 

[shawntitan]

Heaterman, to be completly honest, I've often wondered why someone doesn't design a boiler that is esentially an secondary baffled EPA stove inside a conventional water-jacketed boiler. All combustion gasses would only see the hot steel which would be completly seperated by an air space (1/2" or something close) from the water cooled steel. Basically a triple walled appliance:

Fire w/ simple secondary baffle (EPA stove),
Then hot steel (otuside of stove assy.)
Air space
Steel
Water
Steel
Insulation and boiler skin

I say all of thins because I've been very impressed with the simplicity of my EPA (Quadrafire Millenium) stove and how incredibly clean it burns with no birdging, primary or secondary air mixture issues, and simple firebrick on the bottom and sides. I think this could incorporate a firetubed turbolated HX, but my stove operates very well with 300F stack temps and I have never cleaned the chimney in 4 years (about 4 cord total through the stove). Always smoke free. Just some thoughts.

TS

Would something like this work? I've thought the same thing... Any 'engineering/smarter than me' guys have any thoughts on this? Obviously the heat transfer would be limited some by the air space, but by how much?

 

[scooby074]

Do you have a pic or link to the type you are referring to?

I think he's referring to these Spin AKA Wind caps. They're pretty common here due to high winds. (broken link removed to http://www.icc-rsf.com/main.php?t=chem_produits&i=93&l=en)

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[infinitymike]

I think he's referring to these Spin AKA Wind caps. They're pretty common here due to high winds. (broken link removed to http://www.icc-rsf.com/main.php?t=chem_produits&i=93&l=en)

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That looks like it would focus it directly at his house.

 

[infinitymike]

Hey Mike, I hope you give that some consideration. Do not tell him what to do, imo, it will only inflame the situation.

Legally, you may be in the clear burning cord wood, as long as there are no additives, regardless of the smoke. But it sounds like a sensitive situation. The neighbor will want his butt kissed, not his work list increased. In the end that's what you will have to depend on, your legality. His sensitivity to what he can smell could be anything, he could smell a barbecue at 200 ft. There could be no eliminating that, only mitigating measures.

Talked to my senile neighbor today, he called after getting tossed off my friend/neighbor's property. I listened and he complained his foyer was not wired and I said "get it inspected and sheet rock it" (which he disputed). He was reaching out, which is rare, and I was able to get my six ft. ladder and belt sander back from long term loan.

Have to add, he called the fire marshall who told him to call the health district, which he did. Cannot say more on a public board, but you guys who build surely have an idea..

Thanks Dan, I did give it more consideration. I decided to let it be and see what happens.
I thought about going back to the town and speaking to the head plans examiner and requesting a permit which he originally said wasn't necessary or having him put it in writing that it isn't necessary. But again, I said lets not stir anything up.

Fortunately it is getting warmer and there will be less burning. And who knows maybe I won't heat DHW with wood this summer.

But there is still this consuming thought about next winter and what will happen then.

If there is anything that might help, I'm still willing to try it.

 

[Tennman]

Sure seems that adding storage like suggested back on the first page of your thread would help the creosote and smell. Running an idling boiler now for 4 seasons, I have two clues when I need to go check my coal bed; 1) seeing any hint of bluish smoke or 2) any smell of the burn. Our house is downwind of the boiler virtually all the time about 120' from back door. When she's running hot and hard my old nose and the sensitive noses of the ladies can't tell it's there. At the moment I'm virtually burning all the time, potentially making smell. Next season, don't know if the burn time will 50% or 60% of the day, but it sure won't be 100% like it is now. Reducing daily burn time has to give you some flexibility in accommodating difficult neighbors. One 500 gal tank in hand, one to go. Sorry, best wishes.