I've been seeing this "organic", "naturally seasoned", and "gluten free" b.s. tagged on a lot of firewood ads around here too. Ok the last one was a joke but geez.
65 miles each way? That’s pretty good that he will go that far to deliver wood in what must be a good sized truck to hold 3 cords. I see Pembine is east of me a ways. I’m in the Winter area.We buy ~3 cords of red oak that is one year old each year at our vacation home in Pembine WI. Delivered to our yard is $195, its a 65 mile delivery for Pete. Down here in Fond du Lac a cord is much more, $300-350 a cord for oak. But I can scrounge off CL a few cords a year for our home down here.
65 miles each way? That’s pretty good that he will go that far to deliver wood in what must be a good sized truck to hold 3 cords. I see Pembine is east of me a ways. I’m in the Winter area.
2 cents a mile is laughingly cheap when compared to the 58 cents a mile that the feds and many businesses and public employers reimburse employees for vehicle use. But I guess I am getting off track here.Sorry, that's round trip @ 2 cents a mile. It's actually 8 face cords he dumps.
We buy timber rights for timber sales in NH. The prices for firewood on the stump is between $2 - $20/cord. Sounds cheap, but the price doesn't include the cost of building logging roads, so that has to be figured in, and on the last sale I figured it would cost me an extra $87/cord to average the cost of the road in, then the logger charges $110 to cut it down, skid it to the landing, and deliver it tree length to the mill, then a processing charge is $50-$75/cord to cut and split it. Delivery cost is added after that. Total it up and add a little profit, and that is the cost of firewood. The folks that have their own lots and can drag it out can subtract the $87 road cost and most of the skidding and delivery costs and stumpage costs. On my own land I can get my own firewood for about $18/cord with a chain saw, gas powered winch, wheelbarrow and a pickup. And that is why you can have a big difference is hardwood firewood costs.Wood burning is definitely a lifestyle choice. Anyone getting into it on a strictly economic basis is in for surprise. I have rarely bought firewood over the years and the vast majority of my wood comes from trees that are in the way or need thinning. Thus I have some gear that I would own anyhow. At best I may max out at 4 cords a year if I burned wood exclusively and less by using my minisplit to supplement. I am always looking for an excuse to get some exercise and since my woodlot is nearby, its a nice diversion. I dont mind hand splitting. One thing I don't own is a hydraulic log splitter. At 4 cords a year at most its hard to justify with the species of wood I was cutting (maple whitebirch ash and occasional cherry). This could change with my shift to Beech but I am going to give it a year or two and keep an eye out for a deal on a splitter or split one between a couple of folks.
Was reading through this thread today and saw this. Not sure what things are selling for today (trying to avoid looking at anything with #'s attached) but funny how fast things can change and as they say "never say never".Seasoned wood valued at 200/cd is equal to #2 fuel oil around 1.50/gal or LP at 1.00.
We all know those numbers are never coming back.
You are correct! In this case it is 1/2 the timber is saw logs, and the rest is low grade of one form or another. Most of it does go to firewood. However, in the northeast several of the schools, hospitals and government buildings have switched to sustainable fuels (wood chips)so if you can get a contract the price is good. Otherwise, biomass is cheap junk.Interesting numbers, I had always been told that rarely would anyone actually intentionally cut a lot for firewood in New England? The firewood (or biomass fuel) would be a secondary product from a pre-commercial thinning cut to reduce the out of pocket cost for the owner, or wood that could not be sold for sawlogs or pallet wood from a commercial cut. I assume the recent loss of the smaller biomass plants in the region and lack of demand for hardwood pulp logs has caused a drop in the price of biomass chips so it comes down to leave it in the woods or sell it as firewood?. Of course the various news articles about the loss of the biomass subsidies claimed that timber landowners would just stop cutting due to the loss of revenue, do some high grading and then put their land up for sale for development. I guess if its a maple stand, the other option is lease it to someone for a sugarbush and take the hit on future potential defects in sawlogs.
In my case I need to knock back a lot of beech that went wild after the ice storm of 98 and thin out defective trees of other species so its either girdle them or turn them into firewood. I am fortunate that I have some roads in place but the steepness of the lot means much of them are only suitable for a skidder.
Is that what they call "Tan Oak"?. I did a tune up of the biomass power plant in Eureka (I think its now closed) and they were getting loads of Tan Oak for free. I think it was from pre-commercial thinning and if they didnt burn it in the plant, they would need to pay to get rid of it.In Northern California split dry oak goes for 300 to 350 a cord. I usually get rounds in the summer and can find them for about 150 - 200 a cord. Pine rounds can be had for free all day long. So we stock up on pine rounds when we see an easy pile right next to the road and buy oak rounds when we see a good deal In the summer. Split them and keep them for a year or two.
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