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Union says staff at 2nd Alberta meat plant scared of COVID-19, not showing up to work | Globalnews.ca

The JBS plant in Brooks, Alta., had recorded 67 cases as of Monday. The union says it's only a matter of time until it shuts down.
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This is concerning, the Cargill plant supplies alot of beef to both markets in N.A.
The food panic may start shortly.

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Cargill closes High River beef plant | The Western Producer

The Cargill meat processing plant in High River, Alta., which slaughters 40 percent of the cattle in Canada, announced temporary closure effective April
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Here's the story on Cargill
 
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Sobering stats from New Jersey. 40% of coronavirus deaths are in long-term care facilities. That's over 1,900 deaths in just a month.
 
Medic21 said:
… people that blindly listen to him if he touted blood letting as a treatment the jackasses would come out in droves and scream that people need to listen to the leader and start bleeding people.
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Hope for hydroxychloroquine appears to be on the decline.
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Study finds no benefit, higher death rate in patients taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 | CNN

Coronavirus patients taking hydroxychloroquine, a treatment touted by President Trump, were no less likely to need mechanical ventilation and had higher deaths rates compared to those who did not take the drug, according to a study of hundreds of patients at US Veterans Health Administration...
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There was a thread on another forum I frequent about this treatment and how it actually works and all the evidence to the contrary was propaganda, as evidenced by the Dr. Zelenko article that was floating around a while back. I wanted to share this CNN article about the treatment since someone even referenced the Military investigating the uses of Chloroquines. Apparently the thread was deleted, which is no surprise given how heated the discussion was getting. I'm not sure what the reason, maybe just to hope something worked, but folks really wanted this to work. The side effects of these drugs are just horrible, so I'm glad this is not the answer.
 
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This ain’t the place for politics. I support the president but, there are way too many people that come up formulated and evidence based plans, on both sides of the house, that he doesn’t need to weigh in on medical care. Isn’t that the whole reason of a surgeon general???

back to regularly scheduled programming. Anyone followed Remdesivir studies? It’s looking promising right now. Like any good medical study it takes time.
 
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Part of the problem coming up with a treatment plan outside of the typical supportive care of a virus is there is really a very small number of pts that would be sick enough to qualify for a large study without having a large number of systems working together. If all you have is 20 pts in one facility you can’t get enough of a sampling to come to any conclusive results.

Remdesivir is being trialed all across the country in more of a coordinated process.
 
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B Holler likely hit the quote instead of the reply- on the Bush vid, Thought it was interesting considering it was 15 years ago and nothing was on the horizon at the time. Oh, and the CDC cuts and such that are being attributed to Trump are actually left overs from Obama era. Convenient shortsightedness on the part of many.
 
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Joe Bauer appears to be more and more possible. 10 years ahead of his time? Politics appear to be making it hard for much needed focus. This crisis of a highly contagious virus appears to be nowhere close to being resolved, from either the medical or economic side. Why fight/defend/attack ?
 
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B Holler likely hit the quote instead of the reply- on the Bush vid, Thought it was interesting considering it was 15 years ago and nothing was on the horizon at the time. Oh, and the CDC cuts and such that are being attributed to Trump are actually left overs from Obama era. Convenient shortsightedness on the part of many.
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Does it matter?

Blaming this or that person for what happened in the past is like the fire department looking for the cause of the fire while the barn burns down instead of facing the the problem at hand and putting out the fire.
 
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The side effects of these drugs are just horrible, so I'm glad this is not the answer.
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Actually, people living or visiting Africa take this drug daily for years at a time. It is one of the safest drugs in comparison to others that people take routinely everyday. My FIL was on the verge of sudden cardiac death from being prescribed potassium. Read that again....POTASSIUM! They said his levels were so high he could drop dead any minute.
Anyone taking any multitude of common drugs is subject to sudden and severe side effects. I see commercials everyday for some prep pill for the aids. The side effects may as well be that you suddenly explode into bloody bits it reads that bad if you listen to the commercial.

I am positive that Trump didnt come up with the Hydroxy idea on his own. It was being put forth by expert people trying to find hopeful therapies. Remember that the results are not all in yet.
 
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Ludlow said:
Actually, people living or visiting Africa take this drug daily for years at a time. It is one of the safest drugs in comparison to others that people take routinely everyday. My FIL was on the verge of sudden cardiac death from being prescribed potassium. Read that again....POTASSIUM! They said his levels were so high he could drop dead any minute.
Anyone taking any multitude of common drugs is subject to sudden and severe side effects. I see commercials everyday for some prep pill for the aids. The side effects may as well be that you suddenly explode into bloody bits it reads that bad if you listen to the commercial.

I am positive that Trump didnt come up with the Hydroxy idea on his own. It was being put forth by expert people trying to find hopeful therapies. Remember that the results are not all in yet.
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One 300mg tablet a week is Malaria Prophylaxis, and the treatment dose was 500-600 a day. Big difference. You can use 100mg-200mg a day with Doxy for the same results. We had way less side effects with the doxy on deployment and most were switched to that within 2 months. Our pilots always used doxy, they would have been grounded for 48hrs after every dose due to the side effects.

If anyone wants to look at what’s really being looked at do a search on COVID-19 and Cytokine Storm Syndrome. I had one of these pts Last night. It was unreal, even the ER doc said he’s never seen anything like it ever before. There is a lot of research being done to isolate which of the cytokines are responsible for the storm to develop therapies that will individually block them, right now high dose steroids are the best option. With these very sick pts, thank god there are very few, the pneumonia progresses from a fairly clear chest X-ray to an almost opaque chest x ray in a couple of hours. They are fairly confident this is from the autoimmune response from a cytokine storm. The pts burn through drugs at an unbelievably high rate, paralytics and Sedation drugs are effective for less than than half the normal duration.

The treatment, as far as coming up with supportive care, lays with immunologists and rheumatologists as this is their area of specialty. What I have learned from a couple long distance transfers, each over 2 hours, was they present like septic pts and they are very hard to manage. BPs all over the spectrum and normal treatments do not become to stabilize them. Last nights was by far one of the sickest patients I have seen in 25 years. My recommendation Now is to utilize Mobile Intensive Care units due to the availability an RN, RT and better medications than we utilize. It’s difficult to manage airway demands, meds, etc with one set of hands as fast as the pts condition changes. I didn’t know which way was up when we got to the receiving hospital.

While I will say my eyes are opened now to how sick these pts can actually get, don’t jump my ass because my feelings on getting back to normal have not changed lol. Took 6 weeks for our hospital to see one of these patients.
 
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One 300mg tablet a week is Malaria Prophylaxis, and the treatment dose was 500-600 a day. Big difference. You can use 100mg-200mg a day with Doxy for the same results. We had way less side effects with the doxy on deployment and most were switched to that within 2 months. Our pilots always used doxy, they would have been grounded for 48hrs after every dose due to the side effects.

If anyone wants to look at what’s really being looked at do a search on COVID-19 and Cytokine Storm Syndrome. I had one of these pts Last night. It was unreal, even the ER doc said he’s never seen anything like it ever before. There is a lot of research being done to isolate which of the cytokines are responsible for the storm to develop therapies that will individually block them, right now high dose steroids are the best option. With these very sick pts, thank god there are very few, the pneumonia progresses from a fairly clear chest X-ray to an almost opaque chest x ray in a couple of hours. They are fairly confident this is from the autoimmune response from a cytokine storm. The pts burn through drugs at an unbelievably high rate, paralytics and Sedation drugs are effective for less than than half the normal duration.

The treatment, as far as coming up with supportive care, lays with immunologists and rheumatologists as this is their area of specialty. What I have learned from a couple long distance transfers, each over 2 hours, was they present like septic pts and they are very hard to manage. BPs all over the spectrum and normal treatments do not become to stabilize them. Last nights was by far one of the sickest patients I have seen in 25 years. My recommendation Now is to utilize Mobile Intensive Care units due to the availability an RN, RT and better medications than we utilize. It’s difficult to manage airway demands, meds, etc with one set of hands as fast as the pts condition changes. I didn’t know which way was up when we got to the receiving hospital.

While I will say my eyes are opened now to how sick these pts can actually get, don’t jump my ass because my feelings on getting back to normal have not changed lol. Took 6 weeks for our hospital to see one of these patients.
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Be clear. There is chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. A friend takes 500mg a day of Hydroxychloroquine for Lupus. Every day. day in day out. Is nearly 70 years old. No side effects. as a matter of fact, taken at 500 mg a day the side effects are extremely rare. You are most likely talking about chloroquine, which isnt the formulation being investigated.
 
" HCQ is recommended for most individuals with lupus, whether mild, moderate, or severe, as well as during pregnancy and while breastfeeding. Given the drug’s many and varied beneficial effects and its excellent long-standing safety profile, most rheumatologists believe that hydroxychloroquine should be taken by people with lupus throughout their lifetime. Annual examinations with a qualified retina specialist are strongly encouraged, however. "

Sounds scary.
 
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Medic21 said:
back to regularly scheduled programming. Anyone followed Remdesivir studies? It’s looking promising right now. Like any good medical study it takes time.
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I started following this in early February when I heard they were having some success with it in trials in China. After i read up on it I bought Gilead stock the next day.
 
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I was just wondering when you were going to wander in here again and clean us up. By now, you have to think of us as a group of second-graders that can't do as they are told. :)
 
Not exactly fun. It does take away from doing what I like here on Hearth.com - helping people stay safe while learning burning.
 
PaulOinMA said:
I was just wondering when you were going to wander in here again and clean us up. By now, you have to think of us as a group of second-graders that can't do as they are told. :)
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The mods are people too. I hope!
They say their share. Its all good. Its what people do.
 
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blades said:
B Holler likely hit the quote instead of the reply- on the Bush vid, Thought it was interesting considering it was 15 years ago and nothing was on the horizon at the time. Oh, and the CDC cuts and such that are being attributed to Trump are actually left overs from Obama era. Convenient shortsightedness on the part of many.
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Yes some of the cuts were made under Obama and some under Trump. I never attributed it to anyone
 
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