PA Mountain Man
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The situation as I understand it from your posts and pictures. Clear water dripping at gap around pipe and ceiling trim plate and also from the lower edge of the trim plate. The finish on the wood ceiling appears to be water damaged at the lower edge of the trim plate. You have never had a fire in the stove. The dripping does not occur during heavy downpours. The dripping starts when the T-stat is set at 70 and I'm assuming that's at a height of 5'. From your picture on the roof after removing snow around the stovepipe there is water on the flashing cone, but not on the flue pipe after removing the snow. Your picture of the stove pipe above the roof with undisturbed snow appears to show melting of the snow around the flasing cone. There is a ridge vent on the roof and I assume some form of venting at the soffit. This would lead me to assume there is an air gap below the roof deck and above the insulation if ceiling is insulated with fibreglass batt insulation.
Based on this information, I would bet on condensation forming on the outside of the stovepipe and the inside of the flashing cone above the trim plate and below the flashing cone.
The flashing is not a typical detail I would use, but it is possible to make shingles over flashing watertight using iceshield and sealants. Since the drips do not occur during heavy downpours, I would rule out flashing issues for now.
Condensation occurs when warm and moist air comes in contact with a surface that is cold enough to allow the water vapor to change state to liquid water. Your flashing cone and stove pipe provides the cold surface inside the roof structure.
When you warm up the cabin to 70 at 5' above the floor the temperature of the air up at the ceiling at the trim plate is much higher, maybe over 80 degrees. This warm air will transfer heat to the stovepipe rapidly. Also gaps between the stovepipe and the trim pipe will allow warm air to flow into the joist cavity and if the area around the stovepipe in the joist cavity is open to the roof vent , the warm air is going to flow and keep bringing moist air into contact with the cold flashing cone. I think that may be the reason the snow is melted away from the flashing cone.
Another contributing factor as mentioned above is unvented gas heating. This introduces moisture into the air when gas is burned for heat. A humidifier could also be increasing the humidity level.
Solution #1
Remove the ceiling trim plate.
Seal the underside of the roof deck tight to the stove pipe with an approved material based on the type of stovepipe.
Insulate the entire void in the joist cavity around the stove pipe with an approved material based on the type of stovepipe and provide a channel for air flow from the soffit to the roof vent that does not contact the stovepipe.
Seal the ceiling to the stove pipe, again with an approve material.
Reinstall the ceiling trim plate.
Solution #2
Take me fishing for a week.
Based on this information, I would bet on condensation forming on the outside of the stovepipe and the inside of the flashing cone above the trim plate and below the flashing cone.
The flashing is not a typical detail I would use, but it is possible to make shingles over flashing watertight using iceshield and sealants. Since the drips do not occur during heavy downpours, I would rule out flashing issues for now.
Condensation occurs when warm and moist air comes in contact with a surface that is cold enough to allow the water vapor to change state to liquid water. Your flashing cone and stove pipe provides the cold surface inside the roof structure.
When you warm up the cabin to 70 at 5' above the floor the temperature of the air up at the ceiling at the trim plate is much higher, maybe over 80 degrees. This warm air will transfer heat to the stovepipe rapidly. Also gaps between the stovepipe and the trim pipe will allow warm air to flow into the joist cavity and if the area around the stovepipe in the joist cavity is open to the roof vent , the warm air is going to flow and keep bringing moist air into contact with the cold flashing cone. I think that may be the reason the snow is melted away from the flashing cone.
Another contributing factor as mentioned above is unvented gas heating. This introduces moisture into the air when gas is burned for heat. A humidifier could also be increasing the humidity level.
Solution #1
Remove the ceiling trim plate.
Seal the underside of the roof deck tight to the stove pipe with an approved material based on the type of stovepipe.
Insulate the entire void in the joist cavity around the stove pipe with an approved material based on the type of stovepipe and provide a channel for air flow from the soffit to the roof vent that does not contact the stovepipe.
Seal the ceiling to the stove pipe, again with an approve material.
Reinstall the ceiling trim plate.
Solution #2
Take me fishing for a week.