Hogwildz said:
Ok, did you get 26' of liner, or is it short since he stopped at the damper area of the fireplace?
Didn't point as was discussed and quoted.
He quoted 26 linear feet of tuckpoint on the masonry.
The quote does not list liner diameter or length of liner. I've learned my lesson here.
Hogwildz said:
Did you get the new crown on top?
Negative, he has to removed what he has done to place a crown. Stated it was too cold/wet to install. The masonry work and crown were why I went with a supposed pro. I could easily insert the liner, but I do not have the tools to do masonry efficiently, but I have done patch jobs (go through grinder disks like crazy, dust everywhere, as compared with the dandy tools the masonry pro possess.)
The gentlemen just seemed to pick and choose....
Hogwildz said:
Sorry, but what I see is the guy quoted a list of things, which he didn't just miss one thing, but a couple major things, and then shorted the liner.
So he cut the quote down by $290.00, and skipped the pointing, the crown and running the full liner? And you will have to pay for yet another reline. This crap pisses me off.
Indeed, I will have one hell of a lined flue when I have to finish the job correctly.
Hogwildz said:
I would tell him to come get his chitty work, and take it out, and you'll reline the damn thing yourself or find a competent installer. Then you can negotiate after that, cause he ain't going to be wanting to take it out.
You would not need anything additional other than the adapter and a block off plate had he run the liner the way it should have been run. Now your going to shell out cash to finish it from where he ended to the stove, and it will still prolly draft like crap cause of the 10".
I will have to insert a full run inside of the 10 inch. Enough stainless to build a car. It drafts poorly right now, I doubt the Buck square to round adapter and connection 8-10 inch would draft any better. I have to basically leave the damper full open (not that the square output Buck is great to begin with).
Hogwildz said:
10" is useless for any stove or insert. So your going to have to reline it anyway, again! 10" makes no damn sense.
AND, he would not have to have knocked the old clay lining out at all had he run the right size in the first place. Wasted labor and time there.
Indeed, and this removal of the terracotta is not listed anywhere. Why? I've asked many times, I plan to find out tomorrow. I'm perplexed as i'm sure the 10in was a special order.
Hogwildz said:
Pay him for his cost on the materials of his crap install, and he can eat the labor! Then either find someone that knows what the hell they are doing, or reline yourself.
Sorry man, I am on your side here, and pissed off myself! This is why I'll drive hours to help someone for nothing, rather than read about them getting jacked by some hack!
Sure would be nice if other members would step the f up and help others in their area out. Less of this crap would happen, and everyone wins.
There are doers, and there are talkers. I know which one I am.
I intend to discuss the labor costs, because I see about 1000 max in materials here. The terracotta removal was busy work, and even at that, maybe 4 hours labor as the run is straight as an arrow.
I too am a "doer". I just cannot imagine the miscommunication here. Again, my wife and I have left messages with their office and expect to discuss further tomorrow.
Part of the "onus" is on me to get "itemized" estimates. I've learned my lesson! And always be onsite for the work to be performed. The guy changed dates on me, and I was on a business meeting while family was out of town. MISTAKE! Should have stopped, but wanted to have up by Christmas for the family. I would have immediately questioned it once I saw the 10in liner.
But seriously, something is amiss here. My plan is to get other quotes of the work performed, and what should have been done given his bill is most non-desciptive.
I think the plan here is to reduce that overall cost for a job that does not fundamentally meet the customers need, then finish it out on my own. Now I will need to save my pennies for another liner install. I may look into getting a more efficient insert now that I must start over, particularly if there are still rebates for the old beasts.
Thanks,