(-: 2010 Pellet review its that time again! :-)

[jtakeman]

jay, will you be testing the green team from lowes this year, would be interested to know the results. They also have Nature's Own Heat.

I am trying to test brands I didn't test last season mostly. If I have time I might? Both the Greene Teams and Nature Own did well for me last season. It would be hard to tell the difference between them. I would have no issue purchasing either brand.

Just a note:
The Potomac's are about done. Hopefully finish them tomorrow and tally the numbers. Nice having my own scale this year.

 

[WoodPorn]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

 

[jtakeman]

woodporn,

What plant were the last seasons NEWP's from?

 

[Corny]

J-T, the rigour of your test protocol is impressive. :coolsmile:

 

[jtakeman]

J-T, the rigour of your test protocol is impressive. :coolsmile:

Thank you corny.

 

[WoodPorn]

woodporn,

What plant were the last seasons NEWP's from?

Surprisingly enough, the Jaffrey plant.

 

[jtakeman]

woodporn,

What plant were the last seasons NEWP's from?

Surprisingly enough, the Jaffrey plant.

I still say the best pellet the NEWP marketed was the Green Supreme. Once they stopped selling them I stopped purchasing NEWP's. There hardwoods were about middle of the road goods and usually over priced due to the name?? Sure I am going to hear flack on this, But thats my opinion anyway.

 

[vvvv]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

as the room gets warmer, the stove gets hotter. ashes block the front holes of the burnplate so the air is somewhat prevented from blowing around the pellet bed & has to blow more thru the pellet bed + 2 1/2" pellets burn hotter than 1 1" pellet

 

[tinkabranc]

woodporn,

What plant were the last seasons NEWP's from?

Surprisingly enough, the Jaffrey plant.

I still say the best pellet the NEWP marketed was the Green Supreme. Once they stopped selling them I stopped purchasing NEWP's. There hardwoods were about middle of the road goods and usually over priced due to the name?? Sure I am going to hear flack on this, But thats my opinion anyway.

X2- Green Supreme are the best of all the brands I have tried to date. I still have some leftover from last
season. I also found a few brands this year that are comparable as a replacement but NEWP is not the mfr.

 

[Oilhater]

woodporn,

What plant were the last seasons NEWP's from?

Surprisingly enough, the Jaffrey plant.

I still say the best pellet the NEWP marketed was the Green Supreme. Once they stopped selling them I stopped purchasing NEWP's. There hardwoods were about middle of the road goods and usually over priced due to the name?? Sure I am going to hear flack on this, But thats my opinion anyway.

X2- Green Supreme are the best of all the brands I have tried to date. I still have some leftover from last
season. I also found a few brands this year that are comparable as a replacement but NEWP is not the mfr.

If you want Green Supreme's just go find some Dragon Mountain's...right BTU?

 

[vvvv]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

261*/200*= 1.3 so if the good pellets had 8500btu/lb then the bad pellets had 6538 btu/lb.....................imagine that!

 

[WoodPorn]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

as the room gets warmer, the stove gets hotter. ashes block the front holes of the burnplate so the air is somewhat prevented from blowing around the pellet bed & has to blow more thru the pellet bed + 2 1/2" pellets burn hotter than 1 1" pellet

Pook this would be true if you WERE NOT using an OAK, however as the manufacturer suggests...I do!

And as I said, I did not clean out the burn plate so there was less air/more restriction and probably crappier combustion....and they were still hotter by 60 °F .

 

[Trickyrick]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

261*/200*= 1.3 so if the good pellets had 8500btu/lb then the bad pellets had 6538 btu/lb.....................imagine that!

Doesn't work that way and isn't that easy, the math is MUCH more complicated than that. The easiest thing to say is that the NEWPs are NOT as efficient as Sumersets undert hose conditions.

 

[vvvv]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

261*/200*= 1.3 so if the good pellets had 8500btu/lb then the bad pellets had 6538 btu/lb.....................imagine that!

Doesn't work that way and isn't that easy, the math is MUCH more complicated than that. The easiest thing to say is that the NEWPs are NOT as efficient as Sumersets undert hose conditions.

i dont think air density is that critical from 200*-261*. please show me the math. whats a BOMB CALORIMETER?

 

[vvvv]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

as the room gets warmer, the stove gets hotter. ashes block the front holes of the burnplate so the air is somewhat prevented from blowing around the pellet bed & has to blow more thru the pellet bed + 2 1/2" pellets burn hotter than 1 1" pellet

Pook this would be true if you WERE NOT using an OAK, however as the manufacturer suggests...I do!

And as I said, I did not clean out the burn plate so there was less air/more restriction and probably crappier combustion....and they were still hotter by 60 °F .

Oak uses outside air with temp & humidity factors, no OAK uses room air which is more evenly tempered to minimize the affect of those factors

 

[WoodPorn]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

as the room gets warmer, the stove gets hotter. ashes block the front holes of the burnplate so the air is somewhat prevented from blowing around the pellet bed & has to blow more thru the pellet bed + 2 1/2" pellets burn hotter than 1 1" pellet

Pook this would be true if you WERE NOT using an OAK, however as the manufacturer suggests...I do!

And as I said, I did not clean out the burn plate so there was less air/more restriction and probably crappier combustion....and they were still hotter by 60 °F .

Oak uses outside air with temp & humidity factors, no OAK uses room air which is more evenly tempered to minimize the affect of those factors

By the time the OA reaches the 400 or whatever degree exchanger I'd just about guarantee there are no humidity issues, and as far as the temp, there may be a negligible difference on the output of the heat exchanger, I'd venture a guess to state that the cold air your pulling into the house by not using an OAK is more noticeable.

 

[vvvv]

OK so here's the obvious; NEWP are crap! ...well last years are anyway. Nothing scientific here, just some temps. I ran a bag of last years NEWP through the englander last Friday and was getting 200 °F out of the convection grate, before the hopper was empty I filled it back up with Somersets and within 1 hr I had 261 °F !! That's with all the ash from NEWP's. Feed setting was at 5 for both bags.

as the room gets warmer, the stove gets hotter. ashes block the front holes of the burnplate so the air is somewhat prevented from blowing around the pellet bed & has to blow more thru the pellet bed + 2 1/2" pellets burn hotter than 1 1" pellet

Pook this would be true if you WERE NOT using an OAK, however as the manufacturer suggests...I do!

And as I said, I did not clean out the burn plate so there was less air/more restriction and probably crappier combustion....and they were still hotter by 60 °F .

Oak uses outside air with temp & humidity factors, no OAK uses room air which is more evenly tempered to minimize the affect of those factors

By the time the OA reaches the 400 or whatever degree exchanger I'd just about guarantee there are no humidity issues, and as far as the temp, there may be a negligible difference on the output of the heat exchanger, I'd venture a guess to state that the cold air your pulling into the house by not using an OAK is more noticeable.

aint talking about the house, talking about the thermal evaluation of the pellets & standardizind the affective factors like a BOMB CALORIMETER does

 

[WoodPorn]

I don't think anyone knows what your talking about!

 

[jtakeman]

Unfortunately, I do. A BOMB CALORIMETER is what Twinports labs uses to test pellets for the majority of the pellet manufacturer's and Pook doesn't except what we do as proper testing. He wants lab testing. But the BOMB CALORIMETER is over $20K and nobody here is got that kind of cash. :sick:

Of coarse none of us ever said we were lab testing. Just trying to compare as best as possible. Starting with a clean stove and not using an OAK. Is what I have been doing. If anyone cares anymore?

Pook you sure can muck up a thread!

 

[Taperbill]

Thanks for the great clarification. I was getting a headache.

I appreciate the real world test.

We cant afford Robby robots for our golf guide or bowling ball purchases..Pictures showing jars with comparable ash and other real world testing results are the ticket.

The tech heads can bicker all they want..
give the masses what they want..

Cheap ,clean affordable ..heat.

now about Indeck vs. Lumber jacks..and burn time vs heat output and stove feeding times

 

[vvvv]

Unfortunately, I do. A BOMB CALORIMETER is what Twinports labs uses to test pellets for the majority of the pellet manufacturer's and Pook doesn't except what we do as proper testing. He wants lab testing. But the BOMB CALORIMETER is over $20K and nobody here is got that kind of cash. :sick:

Of coarse none of us ever said we were lab testing. Just trying to compare as best as possible. Starting with a clean stove and not using an OAK. Is what I have been doing. If anyone cares anymore?

Pook you sure can muck up a thread!

just read WP's post which implied 6538btu/lb pellets! without spraying water on them.& i'm mucking?

 

[WoodPorn]

Unfortunately, I do. A BOMB CALORIMETER is what Twinports labs uses to test pellets for the majority of the pellet manufacturer's and Pook doesn't except what we do as proper testing. He wants lab testing. But the BOMB CALORIMETER is over $20K and nobody here is got that kind of cash. :sick:

Of coarse none of us ever said we were lab testing. Just trying to compare as best as possible. Starting with a clean stove and not using an OAK. Is what I have been doing. If anyone cares anymore?

Pook you sure can muck up a thread!

just read WP's post which implied 6538btu/lb pellets! without spraying water on them.& i'm mucking?

You need another hobby!

 

[vvvv]

Unfortunately, I do. A BOMB CALORIMETER is what Twinports labs uses to test pellets for the majority of the pellet manufacturer's and Pook doesn't except what we do as proper testing. He wants lab testing. But the BOMB CALORIMETER is over $20K and nobody here is got that kind of cash. :sick:

Of coarse none of us ever said we were lab testing. Just trying to compare as best as possible. Starting with a clean stove and not using an OAK. Is what I have been doing. If anyone cares anymore?

Pook you sure can muck up a thread!

just read WP's post which implied 6538btu/lb pellets! without spraying water on them.& i'm mucking?

You need another hobby!

Butt i like BSology!

 

[fidiro]

Knock Knock

 

[jtakeman]

Knock Knock

Ok I'll play along!

"Who's there?"