Will this be the Dark Winter that our President referred to?

[fire_man]

Scared to death of covid, masks, forced vaccinations....

And there are those who are scared to death of a pinprick

 

[semipro]

There is perceived risk and there is real risk.
There are many that feel they are safer driving than flying when the vast preponderance of crash data shows otherwise.
The same with wearing a seat belt.
Many are confident in their facts despite overwhelming objective evidence otherwise - sad.
I don't admire that but I'm ok with that as long as their ignorance doesn't kill my immunocompromised wife or child too young to get the vaccine.
I rarely get sick, heal quickly, and get every vaccination I can. I'm hoping what doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
Even a vaccinated person can get and transmit COVID while exhibiting no symptoms.
All this is why this vaccinated guy wears a mask around others indoors. I don't fear the vaccine or the COVID case I'd get now.

 

[Grizzerbear]

I keep hearing about the long term side effects of the vaccine. But no one can tell me what those effects are.

That's just it really. No one can tell you what the long term effects are...simply saying it is safe and effective isn't a good enough answer. Some folks have put their full faith in the government with their health. Some want physical proof. Not bad......just a different view.

I've really tried to understand it but it just seems like they have a general mistrust of government

That is the biggest reason honestly.

 

[bholler]

That's just it really. No one can tell you what the long term effects are...simply saying it is safe and effective isn't a good enough answer. Some folks have put their full faith in the government with their health. Some want physical proof. Not bad......just a different view.


That is the biggest reason honestly.

You do realize the govt didn't develop the vaccines right? In addition these vaccines are really no different than many others that have been in use for decades. They use the same mechanisms to deliver a weakened version of the disease to your body so it will develop immunity. This is nothing new at all.

 

[bholler]

There is perceived risk and there is real risk.
There are many that feel they are safer driving than flying when the vast preponderance of crash data shows otherwise.
The same with wearing a seat belt.
Many are confident in their facts despite overwhelming objective evidence otherwise - sad.
I don't admire that but I'm ok with that as long as their ignorance doesn't kill my immunocompromised wife or child too young to get the vaccine.
I rarely get sick, heal quickly, and get every vaccination I can. I'm hoping what doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
Even a vaccinated person can get and transmit COVID while exhibiting no symptoms.
All this is why this vaccinated guy wears a mask around others indoors. I don't fear the vaccine or the COVID case I'd get now.

I personally didn't really fear getting covid myself even before I was vaccinated. I am a fit healthy guy who would have most likely been fine. I did fear giving it to one of my elderly or immunocompromised customers. Or my daughter when she had her heart defect etc etc. I chose to get the vaccine and I choose to still wear a mask for the good of my fellow human beings more than myself.

 

[Fingerlakes Fireplace]

You do realize the govt didn't develop the vaccines right? In addition these vaccines are really no different than many others that have been in use for decades. They use the same mechanisms to deliver a weakened version of the disease to your body so it will develop immunity. This is nothing new at all.

"They use the same mechanisms to deliver a weakened version of the disease to your body so it will develop immunity"
But if by body gets immunity by being exposed to FULL strength virus, that doesn't count

 

[bholler]

"They use the same mechanisms to deliver a weakened version of the disease to your body so it will develop immunity"
But if by body gets immunity by being exposed to FULL strength virus, that doesn't count

That depends how your body reacted to it. It depends what variant you had etc etc. Read the studies. They are readily available and not all that complicated to understand.

Yes you develop some natural immunity from getting covid. But you also risk dying from it in the process.

 

[Fingerlakes Fireplace]

That depends how your body reacted to it. It depends what variant you had etc etc. Read the studies. They are readily available and not all that complicated to understand.

Yes you develop some natural immunity from getting covid. But you also risk dying from it in the process.

I accept the risk. Why are you and your kind, trying to force me to get vaxxed???

 

[semipro]

But you also risk dying from it in the process.

Yep, that's the kicker. That and killing someone else through transmission.

 

[Fingerlakes Fireplace]

Yep, that's the kicker. That and killing someone else through transmission.

Transmission! You do realize that they claim that vaxxxed people spread the virus as much as normal people???

 

[bholler]

I accept the risk. Why are you and your kind, trying to force me to get vaxxed???

You accept the risk of infecting one of your high risk clients??? I care about mine and would rather not be responsible for their death.

And I don't ever remember saying I was forcing you to get vaccinated. Or that I supported anyone else doing it for that matter.

 

[semipro]

Transmission! You do realize that they claim that vaxxxed people spread the virus as much as normal people???

Think about how it's spread. Do you cough more/harder after getting the vaccine or when you have the full-blown disease?

 

[clancey]

Believe me bhollar we can answer everyone of your questions but it is a belief system because we have been lie to by the media and the president so many times. We have been censored with our opinions because we are not part of the socialists agenda's. Its all blame blame and "your a racist" as well as critical thinking mind games as they use their authorities against the very same people who have been stalked and lied about...They can take that vaccine and shove it to where the sun does not shine and if I get this virus again I will just have to be a big girl and take my chances. You believe in it good but let me have my beliefs too without the blame gain and the mandates because if the people in authority played a fair game to begin with everybody would be taking it and having trust in it...The agenda was not fair and there have been a lot wonderful people like the front line doctors who did the research and have been blasted with negatives by the main stream media. I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe...There are a lot of powerful people who run this world and one thing most of them believe in is eugenics and this if you do some research you will find this out for yourself. The two medicines were "outlawed" and world wide they because of their therapy saved peoples lives...Now they have a pill that is used for therapy and its the same idea as the one they outlawed because they could get a higher price..With the hospital protocols they killed my brother and there are some doctors who give right treatments and people lives are saved..One doctor in Africa gets all the mucus out of the lungs as he can and saved people's lives--many of them before that mucus hardens to where theyi cannot breathe..One is better off with natural immunity then the shot immunity but the corrupt authorities like fauci never discuss things of that nature nor give credit to people who already had it because now it is a blame game---you blame us for giving it to you because we do not what the shot with good reason..and then we are threatened and our work money and job is taken away from us after these wonderful professional people worked so hard to save peoples lives and they are making a quality decision according to their personal choice...Yea I could answer all those questions you asked but I think it is time for you to do the research for yourself. This is the USA and nothing should be mandated like the authorities and media and corporations are doing to us because we just do not deserve it...You could check out one ingredient that is in the shot and that sounds like graphine oxidate (sp might be wrong here)...Some of your people wrote that a person who was dying begged for the vaccine...Yea I saw a video of a mother who was screaming that her perfectly healthy son was dead from the vaccine and she cried and cried and screamed and screamed telling people in the (cannot spell this word--Sound it out--Caribeanian ) that her son is dead and "don't get the shot" because it is killing people...I cried when I heard that video...No I do not trust any of them and there are a lot of professionals who are giving up their jobs because they do not trust any of them either and these are knowledgeable people in the health world..clancey

 

[bholler]

Transmission! You do realize that they claim that vaxxxed people spread the virus as much as normal people???

That is absolutely untrue. Vaccinated people are much less likely to get the virus at all. And in general carry a lower viral load which means they are not as contagious.

Again read the studies they are available. And the article you sent me claiming the viral load was no different with vaccination linked to a study that showed viral load was on average lower in vaccinated people. You can't just rely on an article. Go to the source.

 

[bholler]

Believe me bhollar we can answer everyone of your questions but it is a belief system because we have been lie to by the media and the president so many times. We have been censored with our opinions because we are not part of the socialists agenda's. Its all blame blame and "your a racist" as well as critical thinking mind games as they use their authorities against the very same people who have been stalked and lied about...They can take that vaccine and shove it to where the sun does not shine and if I get this virus again I will just have to be a big girl and take my chances. You believe in it good but let me have my beliefs too without the blame gain and the mandates because if the people in authority played a fair game to begin with everybody would be taking it and having trust in it...The agenda was not fair and there have been a lot wonderful people like the front line doctors who did the research and have been blasted with negatives by the main stream media. I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe...There are a lot of powerful people who run this world and one thing most of them believe in is eugenics and this if you do some research you will find this out for yourself. The two medicines were "outlawed" and world wide they because of their therapy saved peoples lives...Now they have a pill that is used for therapy and its the same idea as the one they outlawed because they could get a higher price..With the hospital protocols they killed my brother and there are some doctors who give right treatments and people lives are saved..One doctor in Africa gets all the mucus out of the lungs as he can and saved people's lives--many of them before that mucus hardens to where theyi cannot breathe..One is better off with natural immunity then the shot immunity but the corrupt authorities like fauci never discuss things of that nature nor give credit to people who already had it because now it is a blame game---you blame us for giving it to you because we do not what the shot with good reason..and then we are threatened and our work money and job is taken away from us after these wonderful professional people worked so hard to save peoples lives and they are making a quality decision according to their personal choice...Yea I could answer all those questions you asked but I think it is time for you to do the research for yourself. This is the USA and nothing should be mandated like the authorities and media and corporations are doing to us because we just do not deserve it...You could check out one ingredient that is in the shot and that sounds like graphine oxidate (sp might be wrong here)...Some of your people wrote that a person who was dying begged for the vaccine...Yea I saw a video of a mother who was screaming that her perfectly healthy son was dead from the vaccine and she cried and cried and screamed and screamed telling people in the (cannot spell this word--Sound it out--Caribeanian ) that her son is dead and "don't get the shot" because it is killing people...I cried when I heard that video...No I do not trust any of them and there are a lot of professionals who are giving up their jobs because they do not trust any of them either and these are knowledgeable people in the health world..clancey

If you all can answer those questions why don't you?

 

[clancey]

It would be a waste of time...clancey

 

[bholler]

It would be a waste of time...clancey

Why is that?

And here is something for you to read

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[Grizzerbear]

You do realize the govt didn't develop the vaccines right? In addition these vaccines are really no different than many others that have been in use for decades. They use the same mechanisms to deliver a weakened version of the disease to your body so it will develop immunity. This is nothing new at all.

Yes, yes....I realize it wasn't concocted in the white house basement even though I wear a tin foil hat. But how much money was invested by the us government on the moderna vaccine alone. To act as if they have no hand in it.....come on now. And I don't care how similar the techniques are of it being made compared to previous vaccines, or how someone that is for vaccines can't comprehend the rationalization of those who won't get it. It really all boils down to folks trying to force others to get it which is wrong.

 

[bholler]

Yes, yes....I realize it wasn't concocted in the white house basement even though I wear a tin foil hat. But how much money was invested by the us government on the moderna vaccine alone. To act as if they have no hand in it.....come on now. And I don't care how similar the techniques are of it being made compared to previous vaccines, or how someone that is for vaccines can't comprehend the rationalization of those who won't get it. It really all boils down to folks trying to force others to get it which is wrong.

Yes the govt helped pay to develop them. But they didn't have a hand in the actual development.

Again I am not a supporter of vaccine mandates. But I do support business rights to require employees to have them or a valid reason they can't. I also support certain businesses being able to refuse service to those who are a much higher public safety risk due to their choices.

 

[clancey]

Yea I notice the big headline ---unsupported claims--Ripleys here--Believe it or not...In time it makes blood clots and gives people heart problems.. Front line doctors are "unsupported" too by the media and they are knowledgeable, courageous and wonderful as well as the Kennedy childrens foundation information on health about the vaccines...My brother got the vaccine and in three weeks he was dead with blood clots in the lungs and heart problems and he never had any of those things before. He would have been 77 on May 4th and he died on Good Friday April 2nd the Lords Day who he loved so so much...Yea its personal here...I do not trust any of them for they have agendas behind the scenes and are just liars...pure stone liars just like the media. clancey

 

[bholler]

Yea I notice the big headline ---unsupported claims--Ripleys here--Believe it or not...In time it makes blood clots and gives people heart problems.. Front line doctors are "unsupported" too by the media and they are knowledgeable, courageous and wonderful as well as the Kennedy childrens foundation information on health about the vaccines...My brother got the vaccine and in three weeks he was dead with blood clots in the lungs and heart problems and he never had any of those things before. He would have been 77 on May 4th and he died on Good Friday April 2nd the Lords Day who he loved so so much...Yea its personal here...I do not trust any of them for they have agendas behind the scenes and are just liars...pure stone liars just like the media. clancey

What the government data says about COVID-19 vaccine side effects

As of March 11, federal health officials say there is no evidence linking deaths reported after vaccinations and the vaccinations themselves.

usafacts.org

I am very sorry to hear about your brother. And yes some people have died from the vaccine. That clearly is a horrible result. But your chances of death is far far lower with the vaccine than without.

Again if you choose not to get it that is your decision. But if you choose not to there may be limitations upon what you can do.

 

[bholler]

See how that works. You provide data to support what you are saying.

 

[Grizzerbear]

Yes the govt helped pay to develop them. But they didn't have a hand in the actual development.

Again I am not a supporter of vaccine mandates. But I do support business rights to require employees to have them or a valid reason they can't. I also support certain businesses being able to refuse service to those who are a much higher public safety risk due to their choices.

They helped pay for em. All I need to know.

 

[bholler]

They helped pay for em. All I need to know.

The govt helps pay for all kinds of research that you benifit from why is this different?

 

[ABMax24]

Covid has become a religion, no amount of data, fact, lies, or personal experiences will change a persons mind.

And just like religions have been for thousands of years, some will be led to salvation, and many others will be led to their graves....