Who wants to make and install a hoist?

[CaddyUser]

There's one thing you NEED to get out of your head.... a winch =/= a hoist. you will burn out the single holding brake in a winch in short order and the load will fall. Winches are not designed for vertical lifts, hoists are. there also is more than one load-holding brake in a hoist. ... and from what able to see the structure of the roof... the load path will collapse the bottom chord of the gable end... it was never intended to resist a concentrated sideways load.

Agreed! Unless you can locate a hoisting winch that has an independent safety lock system, the brake is inevitably going to fail. The worst case would be when the load is at the second level, and the brake lets go as you are reaching to unload. If someone is anywhere at the ground level, it is not going to be pretty..... The least case scenario is that you will be replacing that nice window on the side of your house as it crashes to the ground....

Sorry to pour cold water on the idea - I always like new engineering problems, but this is a big no no...

 

[ScotO]

This hoist may be just what the doctor ordered....

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I like the whole idea you have, just make CERTAIN that you have the structure to support both the lateral and vertical forces you will have at the mounting/pulling site.....

 

[Bret Chase]

I know it could be done but I certainly would not use a cantaliever off that gable as it's only point of attachement or you will run into bigger issues. I am no engineer but I have built a lot of steel buildings as an iron worker and the preasure is much greater than 250lbs hanging there for sure. I would think a column may be necessary to adaquately support the lift but I like the idea. Very outside the box and will be really cool for sure.

As a former property and liability insurance agent I would be sure to build in a lock as well. Something like that is a magnet for foolish youth.

you'd have to strip off a LOT of v-match to even start...

 

[wardk]

This hoist may be just what the doctor ordered....

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I like the whole idea you have, just make CERTAIN that you have the structure to support both the lateral and vertical forces you will have at the mounting/pulling site.....

This is the hoist I used.

 

[Bret Chase]

either of those would work, I think... it would be a matter of how long they last...

 

[Machria]

There's one thing you NEED to get out of your head.... a winch =/= a hoist. you will burn out the single holding brake in a winch in short order and the load will fall. Winches are not designed for vertical lifts, hoists are. there also is more than one load-holding brake in a hoist.

... and from what able to see the structure of the roof... the load path will collapse the bottom chord of the gable end... it was never intended to resist a concentrated sideways load.

Hoist/lift/winch... All the same thing. One has a break, one doesn't, but both are the same motor... I have not spec'd out either, and that is why I want somebody else to build this for me.

It's really NOT going to be a very big load. 250 is what I want to be spec'd as the MAX LOAD. but it will never have 250 lbs of wood in one sack. More likely 100lbs which is enough splits for a couple days. The gable is not going to have a problem holding up a couple hundred pounds. Common, I just finished hoisting 750lbs up there. I installed 2000 lbs of slate up there,.... And the house regularly gets 100mph winds directly into it. 100 lbs isn't going to finish it off!

Not only that, the load will be split to several points, some back to the hoist motors bracket, some to the bottom brace under the pulley, some to the top brace.... Each will end up with just a little load.

So who wants to build it?

 

[Machria]

This hoist may be just what the doctor ordered....

(broken link removed to http://www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-440LB-ELECTRIC-MOTOR-OVERHEAD-GARAGE-HOIST-CRANE-LIFT-w-Emergency-Stop-/390467905802?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae9b3690a)

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I like the whole idea you have, just make CERTAIN that you have the structure to support both the lateral and vertical forces you will have at the mounting/pulling site.....

Those look perfect. Just mount it sideways, bolted to a beefy steel L bracket so the cable comes out horizontally out to the pulley.

 

[Fins59]

Don't know if this was covered, didn't read every post.
Give this a thought. Anchor a pulley up above your deck. Hook a cable to your load of wood. Run cable up through pulley and back down to a vehicle on ground. Drive vehicle forward to raise load. Back up vehicle to lower empty platform or what ever you have. No motors or winches to burn out.
Of course that pulley would have to anchored very strongly (in any scenario).

 

[Mr A]

This looks interesting.

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[Machria]

This looks interesting.

LOL! LOL! LOL! What the hell is that guy doing with all that wood up there? He must have 10 chord up there?

But he's got the right idea, I just would rather use a motor than taking a ride down every time!

 

[Mr A]

LOL! LOL! LOL! What the hell is that guy doing with all that wood up there? He must have 10 chord up there?

But he's got the right idea, I just would rather use a motor than taking a ride down every time!

My thought, it looks like the drying room. did you notice the trap door and the rail on top enabling the load to be craned laterally? Get it up and moved a bit horizontally. i like this one

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[BobUrban]

I agree that 100lbs. probably will not pull the house down - I would be more concerned with repeated use and anchored to wood. And I would be more concerned with the weird and wonderful! A tool like this can get abused like when someone thinks, "there has got to be a way to get that new refrigerator up here with this?" And the ever present kids!! I know if we had something like that growing up it would be a toy. When the cats away.... Put a lock on it and save some headaches.

 

[Ehouse]

For a small load like this, I'd favor an anchor point below the peak, and a 1/2 ton chain fall. Even if you fumble the pull, the load will not drop; both up and down are controlled. Could be on a short,(well anchored) cantilever arm, or trolly if you'd like. Pull chain can be run back onto the porch so no leaning out.

Ehouse

 

[Machria]

I agree that 100lbs. probably will not pull the house down - I would be more concerned with repeated use and anchored to wood. And I would be more concerned with the weird and wonderful! A tool like this can get abused like when someone thinks, "there has got to be a way to get that new refrigerator up here with this?" And the ever present kids!! I know if we had something like that growing up it would be a toy. When the cats away.... Put a lock on it and save some headaches.

NO KIDS! SAY NOOOOO TO KIDS! There are NO kids in my house! Besides that, this would be the least toy to have to worry about. The house has unprotected catwalks, dangerous spral staircases, the deck... They will have plenty of "fun" before they even get to this thing!

Still looking for somebody on LI to come and install it! Who's in?

 

[pen]

how about a power ladder instead?

http://www.powrladder.com/

That's one type. The one used to use wasn't revolving, and would have to be lowered to get re-loaded with materials. Not sure what the weight limit was on it, but it put up whatever we put on it when roofing.

pen

 

[gzecc]

NO KIDS! SAY NOOOOO TO KIDS! There are NO kids in my house! Besides that, this would be the least toy to have to worry about. The house has unprotected catwalks, dangerous spral staircases, the deck... They will have plenty of "fun" before they even get to this thing!

Still looking for somebody on LI to come and install it! Who's in?

I don't know if there is anyone on the forum that crazy to do it for you.

 

[Ashful]

Any "hoist geniuses out there? I need a hoist installed on the top of my deck pictured below.

If you go back to your first posts, where you laid out your intentions to install a wood stove in your third floor, I think a few of us predicted this eventuality. In other words... what took you so long?

 

[wardk]

What about a hay elevator .

 

[711mhw]

I agree with Como & Pen posts 11 & 40. I know them as "ladervators" that the roofers use. It could be premanently mounted (vertically) and prolly run with and electric motor instead of gas. The roofers set them up (like a ladder) at an angle but that's so it will stay there on it's own. They'll bring up 2-3 bundles of shingles to the eave in seconds. They only have a small platform, but that would be easy to modify to hold at least a few arm loads of wood. It would take 2 people to operate this. Might just be a cheap way out!

 

[Como]

My thought, it looks like the drying room. did you notice the trap door and the rail on top enabling the load to be craned laterally? Get it up and moved a bit horizontally. i like this one

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I bought some of these bags, they hold about 1/3rd of a cord. I can think of some full sized Americans I have met who could do that trick. Their problem would be getting up the Stairs....

The electric winch pictured earlier is the HF model I have, it comes in different capacities.

As this is going to be a permanent fixture I would favour the trap door approach, winch it up, put the floor back in, drop and done.

I have friends who do it manually, he parks the truck underneath and hands up the logs for her to stack.

 

[Como]

Just went back and looked and realise you can not do the hole in the deck.

So back to my first thought:

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This uses a ladder and the HF hoist. For a permanent install I would look to use I beam, bolt it onto the side of the house and the structural issues go away.

 

[Flatbedford]

The guy riding down while his wood goes up reminded me of this story.
http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/bricks.asp

 

[Machria]

If you go back to your first posts, where you laid out your intentions to install a wood stove in your third floor, I think a few of us predicted this eventuality. In other words... what took you so long?

I had this idea WAAAAY before even thinking about getting a stove. . Aka groceries, packages, wood for fireplace... It was always part of plan.

 

[Machria]

The ladder type hoists are much too intrusive looking for a perm install. It's going to be a simple wire type hoist, it's just a matter of how I get a bracket made for it....

 

[Mr A]

Some sort of dumbwaiter would be your best option. Depending on your budget, lots of ideas on YouTube searching ":Dumbwaiter" these seem a bit pricey to me, but do look very easy to install http://www.dumbwaiters.com/